Plastic Parts on Beretta 92FS - What's the conclusion?

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The post I left was for Gunscribe. I didn't want him thinking he was getting less than he had bargained for when he bought his Beretta 92fs 9mm. I also wanted to dispel the myths about all the plastic parts he had mentioned in his post, and also to tell him that this is a very fine gun. The plastic or nylon guide rod with the crevasses has a purpose, and that is to function when the gun gets sand or mud into that part. It let's the gun still operate as normal without getting stuck from buildup of crap. This was more a military use piece than civilian as I don't think anyone is going to be in the trenches in all kinds of condition's within the U.S. borders. I am old school and like my guns made of metal. I have many with plastic parts as well, but this is not one of them.
For what it's worth, I hope I have put his mind at ease since he seemed very disheartened over the perceived plastic parts. On another note I have replaced mine with a metal guide rod and the accuracy has improved to the point where with two 15 round mags at 75 yards It tore the bulls eye right out of the paper and none of the shots wandered beyond the black.
 
The plastic guide rod bothered my because it is so flimsy looking in comparison to the rest of the gun, so I replaced it.

Now you made me realize the trigger is also plastic. Ha, I didn't notice!

Since reading your post, I've become set on replacing the trigger with a metal one. Can anyone who has done so share their experience: how much it cost to replace, whether they noticed a difference, etc?
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Having the same angst over the plastic (No! Polymer! :rolleyes::rolleyes:) triggers on Colt Mustangs etc I decided to make my own. The first was a "one off" made on conventional manual machines from 303 stainless, took about four hours.
Anyway, I decided to make some in 316 stainless in my CNC equipment and although they turned out beautiful they took a lot of time to make. Sounds like I should do a run of triggers for the Beretta, but, materials snob that I am I will not make parts for a gun with an aluminum (No! Alloy! :rolleyes::rolleyes:) frame. That stainless 92 sounds interesting though, I saw one once, looked like a real nice gun.
 
Even the stainless Beretta 92/96 pistols have an aluminum frame. The Billennium and the Steel are the only two steel frame guns in the 92/96 series that I'm aware of and they're a bit hard to find and cost considerably more than the alloy framed pistols.
 
On another note I have replaced mine with a metal guide rod and the accuracy has improved to the point where with two 15 round mags at 75 yards It tore the bulls eye right out of the paper and none of the shots wandered beyond the black.
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Just so I'm understanding what you mean: Are you saying that the metal guide rod made your pistol more accurate than when it had a plastic one? :confused: I find it hard to believe that substituting a metal guide rod for a plastic one would have any impact on the intrinsic accuracy potential of a pistol, one way or the other. Maybe you could shoot it better with it having slightly more weight at the front but even that remote possibility is a real reach, imo, and would have absolutely nothing to do with the intrinsic accuracy of any one pistol.
 
Plastic beretta

I have had trouble with my beretta! It has been carried daily for a long while. Fired lots of mean rounds. The parts were getting very worn. Replace guidrod with 2 stage sprinco, factory steel triger, mag catch, safety, lanyard housing. Now you will have got rid of plastic parts. Don,t bet your life on parts that are a production short cut!! I have sold lots of these pistols at my shop and people have been wanting me to up grade these pistols also. No use calling beretta for parts they will tell you plastic is good. Brownells now has all m9/92fs parts when they can keep them in stock must be a lot of guys that want to have the real thing back!! Good luck with your now back to spec. Beretta. By the way the 2 stage springco is my own idea it keeps frame battering away.
 
All I did to my 92fs was to change the guide rod and put a lighter hammer spring in. The spring was to lighten up the double action pull.
 
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Can you guide me to the company where I can buy the replacement parts your talking about?

I want to change my guide rod and maybe other parts on my 92F

Thanks.

:)
 
Lots of misinformation floating around here.;)

There are 3 versions of some parts:
1. Metal 2. Polymer-coated metal 3. Synthetic

The metal parts are the original. The polymer coated parts were designed to save costs. The synthetic parts are designed to save weight. You will find that they vary according to the specifications of the contract. (e.g. many of the Police Special models have the synthetic parts)

**** The polymer guide rod is the result of Iraq/Afghanistan. It was found that a fluted guide rod greatly reduces the possibility of sand causing a malfunction, and they could make the flutes deeper if they used a synthetic rod instead of metal.****
 
I've installed a steel trigger, guide rod, mag button, and lanyard loop on my 92. I've heard mixed answers on the safety/decocker lever. A magnet won't stick to the left side but will the right. It doesn't feel like aluminum. I haven't been able to find a replacement anywhere online for one of these. Does anyone know where I can locate a steel one of these, if one is even available.
 
Yes it does make a difference dgludwig

Just so I'm understanding what you mean: Are you saying that the metal guide rod made your pistol more accurate than when it had a plastic one? I find it hard to believe that substituting a metal guide rod for a plastic one would have any impact on the intrinsic accuracy potential of a pistol, one way or the other. Maybe you could shoot it better with it having slightly more weight at the front but even that remote possibility is a real reach, imo, and would have absolutely nothing to do with the intrinsic accuracy of any one pistol.

Stainless guide rods are solid and will not bend or distort like a factory
plastic guide rod. Replacing your factory plastic or hollow steel guide rod with a stainless guide rod adds
extra weight under the barrel. This can help reduce recoil which in turn equals less muzzle climb when rapid firing.
 
Asking a gunsmith if some original part on a pistol should be replaced with an aftermarket part is like asking a barber if you need a haircut.
 
Someone asked for a picture of a all metal Beretta from Italy.

Here's my 92FS Inox from Italy

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This picture shows it with after market Rosewood grips.

I taken the grips off now - they were just to big for me.

And I changed out the guide rod for a steel one.

It didn't seem to make any difference in the shooting.

I just like the looks.

Great shooting gun.

:)
 
Yes it does make a difference dgludwig

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Just so I'm understanding what you mean: Are you saying that the metal guide rod made your pistol more accurate than when it had a plastic one? I find it hard to believe that substituting a metal guide rod for a plastic one would have any impact on the intrinsic accuracy potential of a pistol, one way or the other. Maybe you could shoot it better with it having slightly more weight at the front but even that remote possibility is a real reach, imo, and would have absolutely nothing to do with the intrinsic accuracy of any one pistol.

Stainless guide rods are solid and will not bend or distort like a factory
plastic guide rod. Replacing your factory plastic or hollow steel guide rod with a stainless guide rod adds
extra weight under the barrel. This can help reduce recoil which in turn equals less muzzle climb when rapid firing.
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Read my post again. A metal guide rod might help you shoot better for the reasons stated but it does not make the pistol intrinsically (say, if you were shooting it affixed to a Ransom rest or off the bag) more accurate.
 
Glocks all have plastic guide rods. They don't break and they don't affect accuracy. I suspect the same is true about the Beretta. I'm not a fan of this pistol, and regardless of accuracy / durability issues, the fact that it now uses more plastic parts is an even bigger minus for me. It just screams "CHEAP" to me.
 
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"15 round mags at 75 yards It tore the bulls eye right out of the paper and none of the shots wandered beyond the black. "




this i'd like to see:p
 
Yes by all means I would skip buying an plastik parts Beretta. If you want a plastik gun buy a M&P Glock or one of the miriads plastk toys. They feel like toys but ain't toys.
I happened to handle an Beretta 92. The trigger ist plastik but does not flex. Has an very good trigger pull and crisp break on SA. Very nice. But I realised the plastik trigger and would not buy just because of that.

It is getting worse. It seems the barrel is a sleeve and barrel insert. Can someone correct me on that? I am sure the barrel was a composed barrel so that means it has an metal insert surrounded with another metal. Kind of these Sig Sauer mosquito 22lr piece of s®®s. Many of the plastik tactical 22lr rifles made by other companies than Ruger have composed barrels with metal inserts and surrounded by even polymer. It is a pure sin to do that and the heck it must be unsafe even if it gets approved for sale. A little lobby here and there gets you sold any kind of crap novadays as it seems.

Correct me on that Beretta metal insert composed barrel. I am sure I saw that and I looked it up close more than once to be sure since I could not believe it at first what I saw. It is an ashame. Next time I guess Beretta will make the 92 with an metal insert plastik barrel.
 
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The trigger is plastik but does not flex.
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The trigger is metal with a plastic overmold. I believe that's how all the "plastic" parts on the 92FS are constructed with the exception of the guide rod which is solid plastic.
It seems the barrel is a sleeve and barrel insert.
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I've not heard this before.

The blued barrels are chrome-lined and the chrome-lining extends out of the end of the barrel and chamber. I suppose that might cause a person to think that there's an inner core of different metal, but to my knowledge they are one piece.

I would be interested to see any information on the topic that could answer the question definitively.
But I realised the plastik trigger and would not buy just because of that.
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Beretta sells all steel parts for those who don't like the plastic parts.

Blued parts.
http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/ber...ger-safety-levers-recoil-rod-mag-rel-/e00706/

Stainless/INOX parts.
http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/factory-92-96-inox-parts-92-96-inox-parts-kit/e01601/
 
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