Pistols similar to the Glock 19

DannyB1954 said:
I am not anti Glock, ( I have a G27), but when I compared the G19 to the Ruger, I got the Ruger SR9. I then went Ruger SR9C, and sold the full size.

The SR9c comes with a 17 round mag that you can carry if you feel you need more capacity. The mag disconnect can be removed easy, and the thumb safety is something that you get used to checking.
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I could have written that, except that I've had a bunch of Glocks, most of which I really liked. (Except two Glock 35s, one of them well-tuned for competition before I traded into it.) I have never been able to shoot a Glock .40 worth a hoot -- even though it fit my hand EXACTLY like my Glock 34, which was great in every respect.

I first picked up an SR-9 (and early one, in trade) and had the Ghost Trigger Kit installed; the early SR-9s had ugly triggers. After that it was much better, but the trigger was/is still HEAVIER than I like. (There may be an easy solution, but I haven't sought it.) Then I picked up an SR-9c in trade, which I like a lot.

I'm now struggling, trying to decide which I want to use for carry, when I carry -- which isn't every day: an SR-9c or a CZ-P07.

The SR9c is a bit smaller than the P07, but not enough smaller to offset what I think is a slightly better trigger in the P07. I suspect it'll be a few more range sessions and days of carry, before I decide. The full-size SR9 will probably be sold or traded away, one of these days -- but it's a good gun.

I think Ruger's SR striker-fired guns do EVERYTHING the Glocks do as well as the Glocks, and they certainly point better. The Rugers just don't have the elegant SIMPLICITY of the Glock design.
 
I guess it comes down to priorities. Does the Springfield XD look a little off with the taller slide? I suppose, but if it's built better and performs better than its competitors, what difference does it make?
 
Hey guys, thanks for all the replies. I guess there really isn't anything the same as the Glock 19. Somebody did bring to my attention a gun called the FMK? It's apparently identical in function but it only carries a few rounds less.

The only other gun I would carry in the same manner as the Glock 19 is the Sig Sauer p229. So I guess that settles that I'll just stick to the Glock 19.
 
The only other gun I would carry in the same manner as the Glock 19 is the Sig Sauer p229. So I guess that settles that I'll just stick to the Glock 19.
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Hey I would not question your prerogative to chose the G19, and I prize my own G17, but shoot my own Sig M11-A1 better than my G17 at the range, there's no question about this for me.
 
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Hey I would not question your prerogative to chose the G19, and I prize my own G17, but shoot my own Sig M11-A1 better than my G17 at the range, there's no question about this for me.
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Yeah, same here. There's no doubt I shoot SIG's better than Glock's.

For some reason the SIG's tend to rust more on my body than the Glock's ever have.
 
It's a kydex IWB. It has a low sweat guard... I'll admit that, but damn man. $1k for that thing and it rusts... The decocker and slide stop mainly.
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Those parts are basically just blued steel, I've seen the same thing happen to other pistols. You could try a holster with a taller sweat guard, or just add in hitting those spots with a bronze brush once a week or so. If you stay ahead of it surface rust shouldn't be a problem. Still sucks though, but Miami and the humidity in southern coastal cities in general is pretty rough on guns.
 
^ Amen... I've very active too. Salt spray off the coast and such takes a toll.

I spoke about getting them cerakoted... What's your take on cerakote?

I also seem to like Robar's black finishes.
 
Honestly I wouldn't have thought about it, but that's a pretty good idea. I've used Robar in the past, both the NP3+ and Roguard finishes, and the work is excellent as is the customer service. They also have a lot of finishes designed around salt corrosion resistance and would probably be able to steer you in the right direction (I ordered mine before they came out with Poly-T2 which they claim is even better). Only thing is the turnaround can be a bit.

Cerakote in my experience can wear off if it's a spot that sees a lot of attention. My only concern is it would wear off and then the exposed metal would rust again. But since it's not rubbing up against something abrasive like a holster maybe it'd be fine? As for the finish itself you can find corrosion testing videos for Cerakote on YouTube and it looks pretty impressive.

One idea might be to buy a spare slide stop and decocking lever and then send those along to whatever company to get refinished. They're pretty cheap separately and that way you don't have the annoyance of waiting for the whole gun to come back. If that was your idea all along, then yeah I think that's a good way to go :cool:.
 
If your going to beat the gun up, stay away from cerakote, as it can chip. As suggested above, I would contact Robar, as they have some very good, durable finishes.
 
I'll reiterate the Walther recommendations.

Being really happy with my G19 (even its stock sights), I got a PPQ M1, then a P99AS out of simple curiosity.

Great triggers (but I don't dislike Glock triggers). They shoot a dream and I won't sell either one (but I do think the PPQ's accessory rail is an eyesore). BTW, the mag release paddle is about the shortest learning curve there is...

One thing the P99AS has that the G19 will never have is a decocker (its cleverly in the slide). When my interest in firearms rekindled some years back, I started with SIGs (SIG's pro shop and training center are just down the road from me) and I still like DA/SA pistols (not least my CZ75BD). The P99AS is sort of in its own special catergory. S&W did Walther no favors in its lack of P99 promotion.

Would I sell my G19 now that I have the Walthers? Not on my life...
 
begemot said:
What I'm really waiting for is the return of Caracal C with "Quick Sights" - in my opinion, a gun superior to the G19 in most ways (if you don't count the global safety recall). :rolleyes:
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Me too. I just got my check in the mail a week ago for my Caracal C. Mine had 3,100 rounds through it without issue. I refused to give it back for the longest time. Then I realized I had to let it go.
Slightly smaller than a G19, same capacity, an even lower bore axis and fewer total parts. It had a sweet trigger too, second only to the PPQ IMO. The first time I shot one it was the best I had ever shot at that time. Even though the whole recall fiasco has left a bad taste in my mouth, if they were to bring back the Caracal I'd buy one sight unseen.
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<drool> I miss my Caracal. Props to you for hanging on to it so long. Before the final recall, the guns (I had a C and F) already went back once so once I heard about another safety issue I immediately dropped them in the mail and moved on. Kinda wished I kept the C as a collectible.

I had many thousands of rounds through mine. The C joined me on a three day advanced pistol course, suffering through rain, snow, mud, blunt force trauma, without a single hiccup.

I would also buy one in a second if they again became available.
 
begemot and stangbangr,

I feel for ya. Except I have kept both of my Caracal C QS pistols. :cool: They continue to run great. It's the smallest, lightest pistol that is equipped with 15 round mags in this class. Fewer parts than a G19, slimmer, lower bore axis, and the ambi mag release is nice. Best part is it's speed though. Time to acquire sights are blazing fast and the trigger definitely keeps up with you at speed.

I only lament that when I show it to folks that I can't actually sell them one anymore.

But at the end of the day, I feel like the degree of separation between all of the above average pistols in this class is negligible. I shoot them all just fine. None really stand high above the class. The Caracal is the fastest for me, the Walther P99AS the most versatile, the Steyr and PPQ are comfy to hold, but they all do the trick and none as precisely as my pistols with true crisp single action pulls.
 
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