Pistol reliability

mrdaputer said:
Pick up a Walthers PPQ and shoot it if you can. It is arguably the best trigger right out of the box.
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Took a PPQ in a trade, trigger nor gun was anything special, traded it for a Glock.

mrdaputer said:
Test out several pistols and the one that feels the best and shoots the best is the one you buy.
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I tested a S&W 500, a S&W 460, and a S&W 640 the other day. The 500 and 460 felt and shot the best, but I bought the 640 because I get embarrassed when the weight of the 500 or 460 in my pocket makes my pants fall down.
 
Pick up a Walther PPQ and shoot it if you can.
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Agree

It is arguably the best trigger right out of the box.
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My PPS-M2 has one of the best triggers for an EDC gun that I've come across.

I did and sold my glock the next day.
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I think that is taking things a bit too far, as good as that PPS-M2 is, my Gen3 19 really is my go to EDC:)
 
In my experience, P95 Ruger, LC9 Ruger, Beretta 92FS, and several revolvers.
Most malfunctions I see are caused by bad hand loads or guns that have been modified.
 
I have zero experience with Glocks. Don't like the ergonomics and I don't like plastic guns much.

My CZ75 guns are as reliable as a semi-auto can be. Ditto the Beretta M9/92fs guns. They never jam.

I would trust my life to my CZs or Berettas. I doubt Glocks are any more reliable than either.
 
Reliability and durability aren't the same and are sometimes confused. For the record if I'm buying a handgun with the sole purpose of personal protection with zero thought to aesthetics or nostalgia it will be a Glock.

But under normal conditions I don't believe a Glock is any more reliable than most any other top tier gun. Most all of the Sig's, Beretta's, S&W's etc.s can be every bit as reliable. As would many others.

I choose Glock because it does what it does at less cost, usually less weight and will probably require less care and maintenance. While not really any more reliable I think they are more likely to function after being neglected and abused than many other designs.
 
While not really any more reliable I think they are more likely to function after being neglected and abused than many other designs.
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I do believe this, personally. While I am not a Glock fanboy (I am, admittedly, a 1911 and CZ fanboy), I am not anti-Glock. And, if I was choosing a duty firearm for a certain extreme environments it would probably be Glock. I would grumble about the ugly gun and crappy ergonomics, but when life is on the line I'll pick the best choice. It's not hard for most good firearms to be just as reliable as Glock in a cop's holster working the street. I don't consider that hard use. If I had to go to a gunfight in swamp mud, though, there would be very few choices I trusted and Glock would be on the short list.
 
I have several that go bang every time. Some have already been listed. So, here I go. Yes I am going to say it. My Hi-Point .380 goes bang every time also. And it hits where I aim. But, so do my Rugers, CZ, Tarus, RIA, FEG, Ortgies The only one I would feel uncomfortable with in a gunfight is my old AMT AutoMag2 .22magnum. It is a bit touchy.
 
Glockgreat23 said:
So for the sake of conversation, let's say Glocks are the most reliable pistol and will go bang every time. I would like to hear from others on which pistols they find very reliable, other than Glock. Preference for people who have this experience with very high round counts. Thanks in advance
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Someone break out the popcorn. That's just begging for an internet throwdown.

Nonetheless, I'll get in on this bit of fun. I love my Glock 19. I named her Gretchen. She's had a couple of bobbles in the past ~4 years. A broken spring, and a few ammo-related failures to do this or that. We're about 1500 rounds since the last failure, so she's reliable enough for me to trust her to be my EDC. She's got a face for radio, though. Yep, she's homely.

Do I really think she's inherently more reliable than her competitors? More than the XD, M&P, SR lines of pistols? No. Not really. I haven't shot many of those, but I don't recall seeing tons of reports about those other pistols being jam-o-matics, either.
 
I'm not a big semi guy, but I've never owned one that wasn't. Smith & Wesson's, various 1911's, a couple of Glocks, Rugers, a Kel-Tec, a High-Point, a couple others I forget. They all worked just like I expected them too. Well, the High-Point worked a LOT better than I expected it to.
 
If Glock is the gold standard, than most of my handguns must be at diamond status!! I had a Glock 23 2nd gen had 1 or 2 FTE's and FTL's with brass ammo in the 1000 or so rounds I put through it before I sold it. But it never ran right with steel ammo, on top of several FTL's I had a couple spent cases split in the chamber and needed a dowel to knock them free.

On the other hand, out of all my other centerfire guns the only one to ever have an issue is my LCP within the first 100 rounds of break in. It's probably had 1000 rounds through it without issues since then. My SIG, CZ, SR1911 and Hi Point have been 100% flawless. Even my .22's, my Buckmark and Mark I, are more reliable than that Glock was as long as I keep the action clean and don't run Automatch in them.
 
Most of the modern pistols are pretty reliable. I have trained staff with Glocks for some years (17s) and they tended to be less reliable than my personal experience with Beretta 92s. We just bought 8 more Glock 17s and they may work better. Glocks are cheap for LEO though no denying that. They beat everyone in price so I think they will continue to be one of the most popular for LE use.
 
I have nothing but reliable pistols....that are other than glock.

If they weren't reliable the were sold. Those that remain for now: Rugers, Smiths, CZ's, Sigs...and one Taurus that at 3k doesn't fit the high round count criteria.

Reliable guns aren't rocket science, and no glock doesn't have a lock on reliability.
 
Reliability is by todays pistols not an issue. All have occasionally an malfunction and all run 98% of the time reliable.

Depending as well of the reload, so to speak as a Reloader.

Only the cheapened and new (launched prematurely to the market) guns tend to be unreliable.
But Technology has not much changed in the gun industry so the knowledge to make a pistol reliable is there and finally it Comes all down to financial decisions of the manufacturer.

Basically put an John Moses Browning-Petterson or Walther style breech System in the pistol and the Thing is combat proven reliable. Bugs have since 1900 all ironed out for self loader pistols (nor turning bolt pistols, nor gas operated nor Luger-toggle , nor blow back System based semiauto pistols have made it to the modern market due to inherent unreliability for various reasons).

Only John Moses Browning-Petterson or Walther style breech System has made it.
 
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99% reliability is not good enough. A personal defense gun has to be 100% reliable. If your gun will fail to be usable 1% of the time how can you depend on it to save your life 100% of the time?
 
In that case for 100% reliability you are looking for an semiauto Revolver (:D chukl chukl chukl :D)

Every semiauto will fail you now and then.
 
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