perspective from a criminal defense lawyer...

Prison overcrowding

To resolve prison overcrowding most liberals let criminals out early just so they can start the cycle all over again.Its called revolving door justice.And then they try to take guns from law abiding citizens because there is so much crime in the city's.If the judges and jury's saw fit to give someone 10 or 12 years then he or she should do every single day.There was a time about 5 years ago where I live that it was more along those lines but since a liberal took over our prison system things have changed dramatically.It seems about every 10 years we go from a hug a thug system in which inmates are coddled to a lock em up and throw away the key mode.Me I prefer the latter.:D
 
As I said in a prior post, the solution is the old British common law as far as adulthood starting at 14, and, a presumption that you are capable of being tried as an adult, if you do an adult criminal act, between the ages of 7 and 14.
That would give you a bigger batch of criminals, and, you could build your bigger prisons.

What I see is sports is a way out, but, it teaches kids that the biggest, and strongest, survive, ala Darwin. Even in a Christian situation, doesn't do enough to combat the lawless time they spend in school, and after school.

In a void, the Devil prospers. We've taken the simple aspects of Faith, and, left a void that is filled by all the corporeal hedonistic values above. These kids don't have much choice: it's one gang, or another, for survival.

Most of the poor kids that make it go to private Catholic schools in our area, getting them into a Faith based situation, and, out of the corruption caused by that lack of Faith in public schools. Keep in mind that the facist-liberals I've had to teach with don't have any faith, don't have any understanding or belief in the Constitution, but, hold on to their communist-socialist beliefs, and failed
projects and ideals, with a zealousness worthy of a Facist, hence the name, liberal-facist. They are intolerant of other
ideas being tried, which, actually is what the definition of liberal is, so they aren't liberal. They have made a God out of education, or attempted education, their way, and, like any other religious Zealot, can't figure out why EVERYONE doesn't support, and see life from the same failed eyes they do.

Finally, there is the crab mentality of the ghetto. Two promising athletes who had full ride scholarships to college, one from DeLaSalle, another just got eligible come to mind. The prior was shot dead, the day before he was scheduled to leave for college. A 6'10" center for Richmond High School, who had previously been ineligible due to pushing a ref, for a year, was eligible this last Monday. He apparently went to a party Sunday night, and, was shot in the back. He's now home schooling, and out of the public school system. He will go to college.

18DA1 has it right. It's really a matter of time. The belief system the kids are exposed to for the longest part of their day is going to determine what they believe. If it's Darwin's survival of the biggest and strongest, that's their belief system. If it's faith based likewise:why do you think Muslims pray 5 times a day, and read nothing but the Koran?
The little time our kids spend going over studying is based on textbooks that don't even
bring out the message of Faith involved, and, the sentiments and beliefs of our Founding Fathers. When you really view schools, it's less a place to teach, but more a social experience, conditioning students for participation in a society. And, that's exactly what it does, just not the society we would like them to be a part of...


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I think the problem starts in the schools. I had a detective tell me recently that if the "public" knew how bad it was they would never stand for it. I agree with that assessment. Right now the majority of crime targets a small segment of our society, so the rest of us stick our heads in the sand and ignore the problem. But I am afraid that we are slipping further and further away from a secure environment.
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And what is the 'public' going to do about it? They are well groomed sheep, who, at the same time this 'inner society' of violence is being made larger and larger, allow their ability to defend themselves to be taken away by the same
liberal-facists that are creating this monster criminal class.
They also allow the group to grow from the south. Yes we are taking all your sick, all your poor, and all your gangstas from Mexico..

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The reason "small segments of society" seem to be targeted is the lack of integrity among lawyers (Liars) in general... especially defense lawyers... :rolleyes:

If every lawyer... especially defense lawyers... would refuse to lie for their clients... this discussion wouldn't exist... :p

Most defense lawyers will do anything to win for their clients...

Self-serving avarice does not lend itself to integrity... :(
 
Eghad, the schools are doing all kinds of indoctrination, just not religous
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Admit it, you just want to have public schools shove religion down kids' throats at taxpayer expense.

Schools are teaching kids that it's a life goal to be a drug dealer? You know this? You are in the wrong business. You should be filing a huge class action lawsuit against whichever school system you are talking about. I hope you are as hilarious in court as you are online.

Fact is, not every kid is a genius. That's why the IQ is a bell curve (approximately Gaussian) with a mean (and mode) at about 100. That means half of everyone is below average intelligence. And don't start about how IQ is meaningless. Such statements are horse manure.

The real problem is not indoctrination. The problem is that some teachers don't want to take extra time with those below 100 they can save. Who would on the salaries they make?

The fact is that the simpleton idea that adding religious indoctrination to schools will fix the problems is, well, simplistic. Not to mention false. But it does serve to push an agenda.

The problems are really more complicated than that. A good start would be to revamp drug laws and end Prohibition II. That would remove that particular vocation from the marketplace with extreme haste.

Then you could show kids educational films that demonstrate how drugs waste time you need to better yourself, rather than the films I saw as a kid showing that drugs cause the lit burners on a gas stove to look like an attractive blue flower that was irresistible to pick.

In other words, teach kids facts, not lies. It's a formula for success.
 
invention_45 - No, I don't want the public schools "shoving" ANYTHING down the kids throats, including liberal ideology. I am not opposed to allowing, non-denominational prayer in school, along with the pledge being said. YMMV, and from the tone of your post, probably does.

I never stated that, "schools are teaching youths that lifes goal is to be a drug dealer". Read my posts.

IMHO, indoctination is a problem, especially in liberal ideology. Personally, I'm sick of hearing how little teachers make. The majority make more than most folks around here, and last time I checked, they sought the job, they volunteered. Don't like it or make enough? Quit, and do something else. In the mean time they (and their unions, lobbyists, and supporters) should quit whining about how little they make, and go teach some kids.

"End prohibition II". Ah, now who's got an agenda? That statement tells me yours. Yea, legalize drugs, much less dangerous for kids than allowing any forms of religious expression. Regards 18DAI.
 
Admit it, you just want to have public schools shove religion down kids' throats at taxpayer expense.
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I'd like a factual teaching of the Constitution, and the principals, and reasons for the founding of this country.
Religion was a large part of that, because of the lack of freedom in the Church of England. Freedom to congregate among people of like religion, and, in one area have a common belief, also known as the state concept, is not even brought up anymore in schools. What I WOULD like is an active indoctrination into the really great founding concepts of this country. That isn't one religion, but, it's not atheist either.

I believe the success stories in our lower income areas being faith based is due to the common social mores, taught in Church, the community of people and friends that keep people away from the drug dealers, and bad guys, and, the willingness to help each other, with moral support, money, and love.

The teaching that possessions can control your life, as the drug dealers are so controlled, and the sin of Greed, and avarice, and their discussion, take the luster off the bling bling cars, etc. that have been made into False Gods by our media, and materialistic society.

Also, the concepts of self-reliance, small government, and state power have been completely buried by the liberal welfare agenda, taught by the liberal-facist teaching society.
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Socrates: The "Large Truth", as I see it, is that our current dismal violent crime situaiton, with its genesis in non-existent fathers, no family structure, etc., etc., is really just "Historical Poetic Justice" being acted out from it's origins in the abomination that was the slavery of the African peoples. Slavery, in my humble opinion, will prove to have been the undoing of Western Civilization.
 
Ausserordeutlich:
I do not agree. Many English colonies have done quite well after abolishing slavery.;) It just took us a lot longer then other colonies. When you really think about it, we didn't get rid of it until sometime after 1977. We are living the backlash from that failure to do what we fought the civil war to accomplish.

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Slave labor is the standard of all empires. Today we want to call it cheap labor. All this importation of cheap labor by pseudo empires is definitely an undoing. The legacy of all empires is failure.

The truth is that in less than a 100 years at this rate white boys are on the way out. They are not having enough children to even keep their population stable. Average is 1.7 per family. Blacks , Latinos, Arabs, etc are twice that or more. The decline of white folks is imminent. Might do the world good to not have whitey around to blame for their failures. Europe is the first to go down. Watch an see.

Please don't take this as a racial attack. It is merely an observation of population and it's rate of growth.
The truth can hurt sometimes.
 
Criminals deserve to be punished.

But you can't downplay the real issues that contribute to or even outright cause the problem. There is a culture in our country that causes crime, and I'm not talking about the "gun culture" the liberals and Europeans are always bringing up.

Glorifying violence in the media- music, movies and t.v. Glorifying sex, drugs and money in the media. Drug laws themselves. No accountability in the highest demographic of criminals (13-17 age group). Bad parenting. Not enough people in church. Public school systems. I could go on all day.

Notice I don't mention poverty. I don't think poverty is the cause of the problem. Sure, poor neighborhoods are "bad" neighborhoods. But does being poor really cause people to commit crimes? I've known kids in pretty ritzy neighborhoods who commit property crimes. Are the people in bad neighborhoods poor because they are irresponsible and commit crimes? Seems plausible to me- a convicted felon does not have the same job opportunities as the rest of us (and rightfully so). Where people in high crime neighborhoods poor to begin with and high-crime neighborhoods the only place they can afford to live?

There was a big write up in the paper last year on a family in Riviera Beach- the 4 y.o. daughter was shot and the city cleaned up the community. the city used all the liberal solutions. They made the landlords fix up the housing. They upped the police presence. There were city works projects to improve the roads and sidewalks in the neighborhood. They enforced the codes, made people cut their grass to make the neighborhood prettier.

The neighborhood is cleaned up, consequently the rent went up. Luckily, the landlords got to recoup the money they had to spend on home improvements and increased taxes. Now the mom can't afford to live there and is going to have to move to a high crime area again. In her case poverty doesn't cause crime.
 
Ausserordeutlich:
I do not agree. Many English colonies have done quite well after abolishing slavery. It just took us a lot longer then other colonies. When you really think about it, we didn't get rid of it until sometime after 1977. We are living the backlash from that failure to do what we fought the civil war to accomplish.
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I'm looking at the REALLY BIG picture. It's my humble opinion that the moving of folks, against their will, from their native habitat was the height of ignorance and arrogance. I think I understand why the folks who did the enslaving thought the way they did. In their ignorance, they thought that all humans must have some purpose for existence, and they couldn't see any real purpose in the existence that the Africans lived. That was the ignorance. The arrogance was thinking that we mere mortals have the ability to make REAL changes to such realities.

There are no other English colonies that are truly analogous to the U.S., as far as slavery is concerned. Had slavery not occurred, there would not be a class of Americans known as "African-Americans". There would be no body of law known as "Civil Rights Law". The millions of man-hours spent on dealing with all the problems that slavery has directly or indirectly caused in the U.S. could have been more productively spent elsewhere.

The descendants of slaves represent only 12-13% of the population of the U.S., but those same descendants are responsible for an overwhelming majority of violent crime in the U.S. Over 70% of the children of the descendants of slaves are born out of wedlock, a trend that has increased substantially over the past thirty-forty years.

EVENTUALLY, I believe, any reasonable semblance of Western Civilization will prove to have been destroyed by the institution of slavery. BTW, the War of Northern Aggression wasn't declared as a war to free slaves, until things looked so bad for the Aggressors that Lincoln threw the freeing of SOME slaves into the mix. Slavery wasn't a Southern institution; it was an American institution! Until the Industrial Revolution of the mid-19th century occurred, and the financial fortunes of the Northern Aggressors didn't depend so heavily on the products of slave labor, slavery wasn't a really major issue between the States. Who do you think owned the ships and profited from the capture and transportation of slaves? Who do you think owned the textile mills that profited from slave labor?

At any rate, I also believe that Historical Poetic Justice has a way of resolving itself, and that humans rarely take actions that alter the course of that "Justice".
 
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how long before jaywalking lands you in the can?
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Wrong question... :)

How long before jaywalking would cease to exist? :rolleyes:

People would soon have a whole new respect for the law... ;)

In Singapore they "cane" people who chew gum in public or vandalize property...

Hence, people do not chew gum in public... and vandalism is nearly non-existent.
 
I never stated that, "schools are teaching youths that lifes goal is to be a drug dealer". Read my posts.
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I leave here at 16:35 or earlier. My post about your comment was made on Friday. You edited it after I made my comment, i.e., while I was on I-95.

You don't do that during judicial procedings, do you?
 
"My post about your comment was made on Friday. You edited it after I made my comment..."

I posted Saturday, 1-27-07 @ 10:41 pm. I edited the post Sunday, 1-28-07 @ 6:48 am.

Your comments are date/time stamped, Monday 1-29-07, @ 2:07 pm.

That statement you attribute to me, wasn't made.

"Half of everyone is below average intelligence"

Now there's something we can agree on. I submit you as exhibit A.

Regards 18DAI.
 
I think I understand why THE FOLKS WHO DID THE ENSLAVING thought the way they did.
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I remember being taught in school a long time ago, before it was considered racism, that the majority of africans enslaved were sold by their own people. Pull up to the dock, offload the booze and guns, onload the slaves. Still no justification, the holding of slaves is enslavement. Always was a bad idea.


Lincoln threw the freeing of SOME slaves into the mix.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that Lincoln wanted to remove the problem entirely, i.e. ship all the slaves back to Africa. This angered many slave holders, north and south, and was the underlying reason for his assassination.


In Singapore they "cane" people who chew gum in public or vandalize property...

Hence, people do not chew gum in public... and vandalism is nearly non-existent.

I had the chance to visit Dubai, and while there I went to a gold suq. I have never seen so much gold in my life. I saw only two LEOs' in the suq, and they were armed only with sticks. People don't steal there unless they want to spend the rest of their life eating with their unclean hand.
 
Now there's something we can agree on. I submit you as exhibit A.
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Oops. Attention to detail does count. My sincerest apology for that.

In fact, on second reading of that post, you didn't even imply it.
 
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No respect Theres a good reason.

We now live in a country where the facts, truth means nothing. Mr. Bush lies and lies its ok. The only Damn people that are expected to tell the truth working person.

They we are lied to constantly. Company lies Union lies. We lie and FIRED.

What can you hope to grow in a enviroment full of deciet. Incompitance breeds deciet.

I am afraid my freinds this country is not as good as it once was. I like my father 82 yr old WW11 veteran. Phillipins and in the ocupation army in Japan
feel that by GOD it is ours.

It anit the ones at them bottom. Felons present little thought on how to destroy a country. No boys it is we that are responsible.

Damn them and damn anyone who wont put a light in the window and damn them all nite. It is as true now as when John Jay said it.

Now what the hell are we letting happin to what they built.

I am ashammed.
 
Even my mother who's 80 years old and a loyal republican, without prompting, sees who the criminals are. The PATIROT act is one of her biggest beefs these days.
 
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