P320 Subcompact 9mm range results and ammo selections. Pictorial review.

The P320 has excellent trigger. My highly shot PPQ classic has a lighter weight trigger but after the P320 gets broken in more, its gonna be a close call. That is to say one of the best 3 striker fire triggers in the industry. (PPQ, VP9, P320). Trigger break on the P320 is very crisp and predictable. The fact the P320 is a modular platform is a entirely different animal in flexibility that the other two don't do. The P320 is a game changer for sure. The P320 points like a 1911 exactly. 3 of my local LE Dept. have already switched to the P320.
Caliber X-change kits are about $290.00. All parts mix and max so there is no reason you can't build the optimum pistol in various calibers.

Here is a explanation I did on the Sig forum to clear up any confusion:

There have been a number of confusion on the Sig P320 and the names and sizes. I am going to try to give a basic overview.


First you need to know that any sizes mag capacity will fit in any size frame providing its long enough. This is very similar to the Glock and mini Glocks.
This means if you buy a P320 subcompact (the smallest of the line up) that comes with a 12+1 in 9mm, you can use any of the larger mags even though it will hang out of the bottom of the frame.
For example: You purchase a P320 subcompact or P320 compact for your daily carry gun you also use as a night stand gun when home. You may want to purchase a few additional full size P320 mags that hold 17 rounds of 9mm as a back up mag for your more smaller size P320 when you are not carrying it.

Sizes and names decoded:

The smallest of the P320 family is the "Subcompact": It is close to the size of a baby Glock like the G26. The P320SC has a thinner frame, shorter slide and rounded trigger guard. Much easier to shoot than a G26 and is a great concealment pistol that you can also shoot on the weekends and not feel like a pocket pistol. Flush fit magazines hold 12+1 of 9mm and rounds and 10+1 of 40s&w, 357Sig. 17 and 15 round magazines will also fit. Sight radius is 5.5". Barrel length is 3.6"

Next in size is the "Compact":It is about the size of a Glock 19. It has a longer slide and frame than the subcompact with a squared off trigger guard and accessory rails for a light if you wish. Great all purpose size for carry and LE.
Certainly will be the most popular size for new and experienced shooters since its larger frame is easier to fit most hands and mitigate recoil. Flush fit magazines hold 15+1 of 9mm and 13+1 of 40s&w, 357Sig. Sight radius is 5.8"
Barrel length is 3.9"


Next after would be the "Carry". This is a hybrid of the smaller compact slide mounted to the full size frame. This gives you the same barrel, slide and sight radius as the Compact but allowing you to flush fit the largest magazines in its larger frame. I understand that this model was requested by Law Enforcment as a duty gun. Flush fit magazines hold 17+1 of 9mm and 14+1 of 40s&w,357Sig. Sight radius is 5.8". Barrel length is 3.9".

Last and largest in size is the "Full-Size".
This is the largest of the P320 family. It is a full size duty gun for LE. It would make a great IDPA shooter and range gun.
Flush fit magazines hold 17+1 of 9mm and 14+1 of 40s&w,357Sig. Sight radius is 6.6". Barrel length is 4.7".

My thought and input on these sizes for new buyers.
If you want the best size for carry and home use , the clear winner is the Compact. Its grip size will fit most all shooters and ability. It gives you 15+1 of 9mm and the ability to use the larger 17+1 full size magazine as a backup for home and car.

The "Subcompact" is easily the smallest to carry and conceal. It has a narrower and shorter frame with rounded trigger guard than the rest of the P320 family. It feels more like a single stack pistol than a double stack which it is. The frame is shorter so if you wear mens size L/XL gloves, your pinky will fall below the grip. The slide is also the shortest for ease of carry but not so short it puts it in a pocket pistol or micro gun category. It could easily be your one and only gun IF you can shoot with your pinky not on the frame. Recoil is not a factor even with hot +p ammo. I found it much easier to shoot than a G26/27 and could be a LE Detectives gun.


The "Carry" size is strange in its application. In 9mm it will give you 2 extra rounds over the Compact but in 40/357sig it only gives you 1 extra round over the Compact. The 9mm may be worth it to buy it over the Compact IF you need a flush fitting magazine but in 40/357sig the one extra round isn't worth the larger size frame. Consider than any of the of its smaller family members can use the larger capacity magazines, the Carry doesn't make a good argument for the non-LE buyer. I believe even most LE will choose the Compact or Full over the Carry.

The Full size is the range gun. Its longer barrel will get the highest velocities and mitigate recoild better than the rest of the P320 family. Its also a great choice if you have extremely large hands and are looking for a house gun or firearm you will open carry. The IDPA shooters will love this gun. It certainly has LE written all over it since it is very similar the the G17 in size.

With the various X-change kits, the mix and max possibilities are almost endless. It would be impossible not to find a size and caliber you won't love if you are a striker fire fan. Factor in the great clean breaking trigger and short reset and you will always have your ideal gun however you choose to configure it.
 
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Mystro; as always good write up and feedback. Love my PPQ, but the modularity of the 320 is a good idea. Looks like they got right with the 320 where the 250 did not. Maybe the DOD will take notice and look at this platform.
 
Thanks for the great write up. I don't have a striker fired gun yet, but if I do buy one, then it will probably be the P320.

Just a reminder, the P320 can never be perfect since it has a higher bore axis than other perfect guns :eek:

Kidding aside, it looks like SIG has a winner with the P320 with reviews like yours.

Congratulations with your new P320 and happy shooting.
 
Can't speak for your exact model, but the p250 sub-compact still ranks number one as the most accurate subcompact I have ever shot. Sure beats all the DAO and strikers out there. Sig makes fine weapons
 
Nice review... Were those groups off hand or from a rest? Either way nice shooting with a subcompact!

I have to admit the P320 is the first Cohen Sig I have been interested in. I am seriously considering a compact.

Owned an early P250 so I am still a bit scared to be a Sig Beta tester!;)
 
Groups were off hand. Since the gun was brand new I was still getting use to the grip and trigger. It shot so easy and point shot anywhere I aimed it that I started to get sloppy and push some of the shots to the left. Its really the only subcompact I have ever shot that shoots like a full size gun. This is THE 1911 owners polymer striker fire pistol.;). I think new gun owners will not have any problem owning the P320 Subcompact as their first gun. You don't have to make any excuses with its accuracy even though its so small. The compact and full size ought to be a tack driver like the PPQ. I plan on owning many calibers and sizes and will probably buy 3 complete guns and then mix and match calibers and sizes with the x-change kits once they start becoming readily available. If you find a Subcompact, buy it because they are extremely rare right now. You can find the larger size x-change kits later and they will be more easy to purchased than the SC. I can't imagine anyone not loving this gun.
I currently own 28 handguns and the P320 quickly became a standout.

FYI: Sig maintained their own high quality feel with the P320. The P320 feels unique and like a Sig and not like any other striker fire. Its very neutral and doesn't require any special pointing or way of operating so the LE is going to eat it up.

 
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I have a line on a Compact with night sights for $505 so I think I am going to go that route if pull the trigger.
 
Wow, that's what I paid at my regular LGS without night sights so grab it. I will say that the regular steel sights are very good but I would have preferred night sights right out of the box. The Subcompacts are extremely rare so I grabbed one regardless and will put a set of Meprolights on it.
 
I snagged my Compact for $500 with night sights. It's probably one of my favorite recent purchases and I feel like the value even at $550 or more is pretty solid.
 
Excellent review ... I was interested in your comment about the gun being dry. I was at the range today with my brand new p238 Scorpion and it looked like Sig had oiled it with a funnel. It was oozing oil from everywhere. Dried it a little and shot 200+ rounds of PMC FMJ and a box of my regular carry ammo, Hornady Critical Defense. Not one failure of any kind, incredible accuracy at 7 yds, all shots except for a flyer or two in the center two rings of a shoot'n'see target. Light trigger, almost no recoil, which kept the sights on target. Speaking of the sights, night sights are such a great addition to an SD gun. I'm in love.
 
Great review and that one has been casually on my radar but after reading that it's going to get a bit more priority. It seems like a very good contender to add in to my EDC rotation.
 
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/4840030953/p/1

marine I thought I'd post this as it's related to your question. Bruce Gray has a post on the bottom of Page 6 that I think helps explain the answer.

As best as I can figure, on the P320 the firing pin block also serves as the out of battery disconnect in combination with the trigger bar. If the slide is out of battery far enough the lever attached to the trigger bar will not be able to move that firing pin block out of the way and the firing pin can't be released. You might notice though that the P320 slide and barrel stay locked fully in battery for a longer time in the rearward travel of the slide on the frame than on many other pistols. As soon as the barrel starts unlocking from the slide the pencil test will fail every time. However the slide can be slightly rearward on the frame and the firing pin get hits, but again it seems to still be in battery. This is different than say my VP9 where substantially less rearward motion of the slide is needed to trigger the disconnect. But again, this is a different system.

I have found documentation of SIG mentioning a disconnect safety in the very early days of the P320 literature. I doubt they'd make a pistol without one but at the same time worry about the slide being able to be removed with the magazine in. Especially for a pistol marketed to police, it is pretty essential.
http://www.gundigest.com/tactical-gear/tactical-military-arms-blog/shot-show-new-guns-sig-p320-review

Interestingly Massad Ayoob even notes this in his own review and treats it as a positive:
"The first thing I discovered about the P320 was that it has a “stand-off capability,” a good thing. This means that if the muzzle is pressed hard against a firmly resisting surface (like the chest of a murderer about to kill you) it will fire, instead of going out of battery and failing to discharge, as most autopistols will. It amazes me that more people don’t test for this, and amazes me still more that manufacturers who put this potentially life-saving feature into their autopistols don’t advertise it. - See more at: http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2014/12/massad-ayoob-tests-sig-sauer-p320-9mm/#sig-sauer-p320-beauty"
 
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Sig has recently changed the fire control module.

If you go to their site and look it over it will show it. They even make it one of their bullet points.


For the new production... It is the more traditional style disconnect that has a tab on the trigger bar ride against the slide. When in battery the tab is in a little slot that allows the trigger bar to be connected to the sear, and if out of battery the slide pushes down the tab and disconnects the trigger.

What I am curious about is if the trigger maintains the same semiautomatic trigger disconnect as the original or uses the new out of battery disconnect for semiauto trigger disconnect as well.

My 320 I got last year, you can see the trigger disconnect working with the slide removed.

Pull the trigger and the sear drops but at the end of the trigger pull it pops back up into battery. So the trigger disconnect works independent of slide movement... Which is different that pretty much every other semi auto pistol, that requires the slide to move to disconnect the trigger.

My 320 still needs the slide to move to reset the striker, but not the trigger and sear.


Bruce mentioned the fact that the trigger in a 320 is not suited to standard methods of limiting overtravel and trigger work.

This is because of the method used to disconnect the trigger from the sear. The pistol needs the overtravel for the disconnect to work.
 
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Sig has recently changed the fire control module.

If you go to their site and look it over it will show it. They even make it one of their bullet points.

Where? The pictures I see on the P320 Sig "Evolution" page still look the same.

Also wouldn't we be able to see the tab you mention on the picture Mystro took of his FCU? Shouldn't we still see it protrude above the FCU?

What I am curious about is if the trigger maintains the same semiautomatic trigger disconnect as the original or uses the new out of battery disconnect for semiauto trigger disconnect as well.

I don't follow you here. How would the trigger-bar out-of-battery safety you've described prevent the firearm from going full auto? Once back in battery the tab would be back in the cut out of the slide and the sear could be released again.
 
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Sounds like "Cohen-sig" beta testing is still in full effect. Anyone know the date when the control module was changed?

What other changes have occurred that people know of since the P320 was introduced.
 
Sounds like "Cohen-sig" beta testing is still in full effect.

Nearly every part in my M&P is a revision of the design that was first released to the public. The sear housing, the sear, the trigger bar, the slide release levers, the barrel especially, the list goes on and you wouldn't know it unless you asked on a forum. Glock is on Gen 4 of "Perfection" with plenty of initial problems with the latest Gen. Springfield Armory had to do a safety recall to modify the grip safeties on the XDS. What company doesn't change designs over time?

Frankly the design as it first came out works. I had to search hard to find an out of battery issue, and that post on SIG forum doesn't tell us what SIG said was the final problem for the OP (he never reports back) nor are there others in 9 pages that report the same problem (though one does link to a similar post on Brian Eno's forum). Even Bruce Gray suggests the problem should be extremely rare and doesn't indicate it's an issue facing the P320 in particular. I don't understand why they changed the design.
 
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My build date for my Subcompact is Dec 31 2014. I should have mentioned this earlier but after testing it a few times, it WILL fire when pushed against a object as if you had it against the chest of a attacker. I read Massad Ayoob's review and he highly praised Sig for this feature. :cool: Another advantage for LE use.
 
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