Open Carry Counter Rally For Gun Rights

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darrenlobo

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Join us in countering the gun rights haters' "Walk & Rally for Universal Background Checks on Gun Sales" (http://delcounited.net/2014/05/15/walk-rally-for-universal-background-checks-on-gun-sales/). They want to "...demonstrate deep and broad support in Delaware County for universal backgrounds checks on gun sales...". We're going to show them that there is deeper and broader support for liberty. We're not going to allow them to implement more ineffective measures that are only incremental steps toward disarming us completely.

We'll start at 1pm rallying and waving signs and flags at the intersection of Providence Rd and Baltimore Pike in Media, PA. At 1:45 we'll move 1 block down the road to rally across the street from the Providence Friends Meeting House (http://www.providencemeeting.org/). Their walkers are scheduled to arrive there at 2pm and their rally begins at 2:30.

For safety all hand guns are to be carried securely holstered. All long guns and shot guns are to be carried slung over the shoulder with barrels pointed straight up or down at the ground.

Please bring signs supporting gun rights to wave.

Invite all of your friends!

Endorsing organizations:

AmmoLand Shooting Sports News
http://www.ammoland.com/
http://www.facebook.com/ammoland
http://www.twitter.com/AmmoLand

Firearms Owners Against Crime
http://www.foac-pac.org/

Concerned Gun Owners of Pennsylvania
http://www.cgopa.org/

Citizens for Liberty

TruthFreedom Prosperity
http://www.meetup.com/Truth-Freedom-Prosperity/

RSVP on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/events/580457748734988/
 
They obviously have no idea what they're protesting for. Pennsylvania already requires all handgun transfers, including private sales, to go through a FFL which naturally includes a background check.

And PA is an open carry state with no permit required ("...except in a city of the first class". ie: Philadelphia).

So what are y'all demonstrating? Or protesting?
 
If you ignore the anti-gun rally, it won't get much attention. Once you people show up with all your "assault weapons" slung over your shoulders, all you're going to do is attract a lot more media attention to the people you are counter-protesting.

Dumb, dumb, dumb. Count me out.
 
I don't know, White Eagle, it also gets us in the media too. I'm not denying what you say I just think we get the greater benefit.

Also, everytime we open carry at their rallies & no one gets hurt it knocks down their argument that guns are the problem.
 
I don't know, White Eagle, it also gets us in the media too.
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But does it do so in a good way? You may have noticed the negative press open carry has attracted lately. Our opponents are willing to twist otherwise innocent gestures into something sinister if it suits their purposes. Are you sure your group will be able to keep that from happening?
 
Leave the guns at home

I suggest leaving the guns at home. First of all, the rally has nothing to do with concealed or open carry. Secondly, its only going to give the protesters more "ammo" (pun intended). They will point out that the rally had nothing to do with carry laws, and therefore we were being unecessarily dangerous by bringing the guns, and we didn't even understand the law they are supporting. Of course, none of that is true, but they will say it is and people will believe them.

Go to the rally, and be prepared to shoot down any lies they start spreading, but leave the guns at home, its only going to tick people off and draw more attention, it wont help our cause. Prepare a well worded argument based on facts about the problems with universal background checks and why they won't reduce crime. The NRA has a great, well sourced article on this called "will universal background checks reduce murder rates". Read this, and bring that to the rally instead of your guns.

And God forbid there is any kind of accident or incident involving a gun, that would look VERY bad for our cause!

The best thing to do is to distribute a concise, well sourced, and comprehensive list of common gun control myths and other information that supports our cause. Everyone should make their own and distribute it to people at these rallies, giving the people who are on the fence a hard copy of a bunch of facts that support gun rights will do more to sway them towards our side than a bunch of use walking around with guns and picket signs. It will make us look well informed and reasonable why the anti-gun protesters will look childish and biased.

And again, make sure the info you distribute is 100% accurate and includes valid sources. If there is even one slightly misleading "fact", it will be pointed out and people will have reason to doubt everything else on the page.

Also, remain calm and respectful. Don't get into fights and don't yell. People aren't going to make up or change their mind based on who can yell the loudest, they will do it based on who can make the most logical argument.
 
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Make sure that all are NOT dressed in scuzzy clothes, with t-shirts shouting hate or blood lust. No scraggy beards and crappy pants, no crappy baseball caps. Ditch the full camo, I'm a commando look.

Dress like going to a formal religious service or business meeting.

I'd leave the EBRs at home. From my knowledge of persuasion and attitudes towards such - you will not convince those who are anti and you will probably move the middle against you and towards the anti side.

Such rallies are really pep rallies for the choir and are not good persuasive tools. The negative feedback you get, convinces you that you are righteous and makes you even less likely to take a realistic look at the critiques.

All this is standard group behavior theory. The OC folks would do well to study up on such.
 
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You don't have to show up with a rifle slung over your shoulder. You can just show up and support your side I'm sure. The problem is the media will pick out one or two guys with assaulty looking rifles and attempt to portray everyone there as crazy gun nuts.
 
So far, these events do a lot more harm than good. I've been an NRA member for close to 40 years and I'm a strong advocate for gun rights. However, these events usually make gun owners look like a bunch of fringe element whackos. Just like the fringe element taking their assault rifles into family restaurants as a demonstration of gun rights. My first reaction if I saw someone coming in a restaurant where I was eating with my family would be to draw my concealed handgun and get ready to shoot. They're a bunch of weirdos making the rest of us look bad. Count me out too.
 
Aguila Blanca said:
If you ignore the anti-gun rally, it won't get much attention. Once you people show up with all your "assault weapons" slung over your shoulders, all you're going to do is attract a lot more media attention to the people you are counter-protesting.
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darrenlobo said:
I don't know, White Eagle, it also gets us in the media too. I'm not denying what you say I just think we get the greater benefit.
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darrenlobo, you do understand that the antigunner folks are pretty likely to hit the press with tales about how your group threatened them, right? It's not like it hasn't happened before.
 
boltomatic said:
The best thing to do is to distribute a concise, well sourced, and comprehensive list of common gun control myths and other information that supports our cause. Everyone should make their own and distribute it to people at these rallies, giving the people who are on the fence a hard copy of a bunch of facts that support gun rights will do more to sway them towards our side than a bunch of use walking around with guns and picket signs. It will make us look well informed and reasonable why the anti-gun protesters will look childish and biased.

And again, make sure the info you distribute is 100% accurate and includes valid sources. If there is even one slightly misleading "fact", it will be pointed out and people will have reason to doubt everything else on the page.
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For anybody wishing to participate in one of these rallies, having accurate literature to hand out is an excellent idea. IMNSHO, carrying literature will be more effective than carrying guns. If anyone wishes to create flyers, brochures, etc., I suggest a trip to TFL's "A Repository of Reliable Sources & Citations."
 
With the usual media hostility toward gun owners, carrying guns to the rally will generate publicity, true. The problem is that it will be negative. It will be slanted to show that the anti-gun people are correct and that legislators should listen to them.

It's all about emotions and perceptions. You're not dealing with people to whom facts are important.
 
darrenlobo said:
I don't know, White Eagle, it also gets us in the media too. I'm not denying what you say I just think we get the greater benefit.
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I respectfully disagree. Vehemently.

Have your counter-protest if you will, but leave the guns at home.
 
Go with flags and polite signs. Leave the firepower at home or you're playing right into their hands and will do more for their cause than they can.
 
Be We blatant or be We quite it will not change the minds of the anti gun crowd . In My opinion there is not alot of fence sitters out there . I'm not going to bash someone for making the fight in thier own way atleast they are getting out and doing somthing and that is more than most .
 
darrenlobo said:
...it also gets us in the media too. I'm not denying what you say I just think we get the greater benefit...
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Do you have any actual evidence to support that claim?

darrenlobo said:
...everytime we open carry at their rallies & no one gets hurt it knocks down their argument that guns are the problem.
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Do you have any actual evidence to support that claim?

It appears that you really have no clue about how people actually perceive things.

zincwarrior said:
...Leave the firepower at home or you're playing right into their hands and will do more for their cause than they can.
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I can almost see the headline:
Peaceful Pro-Safety March Disrupted by Armed Protestors
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Aguila Blanca said:
If you ignore the anti-gun rally, it won't get much attention. Once you people show up with all your "assault weapons" slung over your shoulders, all you're going to do is attract a lot more media attention to the people you are counter-protesting.

Dumb, dumb, dumb. Count me out.
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Tom Servo said:
darrenlobo said:
I don't know, White Eagle, it also gets us in the media too.
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But does it do so in a good way? You may have noticed the negative press open carry has attracted lately. Our opponents are willing to twist otherwise innocent gestures into something sinister if it suits their purposes. Are you sure your group will be able to keep that from happening?
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boltomatic said:
I suggest leaving the guns at home. First of all, the rally has nothing to do with concealed or open carry. Secondly, its only going to give the protesters more "ammo" (pun intended). They will point out that the rally had nothing to do with carry laws, and therefore we were being unecessarily dangerous by bringing the guns, and we didn't even understand the law they are supporting. Of course, none of that is true, but they will say it is and people will believe them.
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Spats McGee said:
darrenlobo, you do understand that the antigunner folks are pretty likely to hit the press with tales about how your group threatened them, right? It's not like it hasn't happened before.
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Darrenlobo, there's reason you've gotten so many comments like these: It has become obvious to most gun people that rallies like this only hurt our cause. These open-carry rallies have done more to rally people against us than Moms Demand Action ever has.

In my opinion, the best way to address this gun control rally is to ignore it. As soon as your group shows up they're going to get more attention. And if your group shows up with holstered handguns and slung rifles, it will be exactly what gun control groups want: Bad press for gun owners that makes all of us look like bullies or worse.
 
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