Ooops, I just freaked the girlfriend out with my gun.

You are always meticulous and spread out over your purchases, researching them and taking your time but this round, you went full bore without even informing me

Sounds to me like the issue isn't even so much the gun but rather that your behavior has suddenly changed and that you made what she considers to be a joint decision without her.
 
And for those of you suggesting I dump her, please spare me the high school attitude towards woman.

No this is the adult view... I'm divorced, why? Because I like motorcycles, guns, skiing, golf, and cars... And she thinks all are stupid, dangerous or childish.

We were incompatible... We had nothing in common and everything was a freaking argument... I want to enjoy life, not sit on the couch an read... (her hobby).

Once we split, I got to do and have what I wanted. When I find the right girl that will let me be me, I'll try it again. The girl I'm dating now likes it all but the guns. But I both carry and went to two matches this past month with no greif.

That's how it's suposed to be.

I did not nor am I saying dump her. But respect for each others interests has to exist or you might be facing a long and unhappy existance... Just food for thought...

Oh, add in she's p!$$ed you bought a gun and not a ring ;)
 
freezebyte ~

Slow down. You've got all the time in the world to do this right, and there will never be a real chance to do it over. Do it right, and you'll have a shooting buddy (possibly for life) who understands and appreciates what you are trying to do, and will help you do it. Do it wrong, and it will be a sore spot between you for as long as you're together.

So slow down. Your instincts are telling you that's what you need to do. So have the self control to do it! :)

1) Take the time to convince her you're taking it seriously. Talk about each step with her and listen to her opinions. Don't hang out on YouTube 36 hours a day. She's absolutely right that you won't learn a thing from watching other people make fools of themselves online. However, if you must hang out on a firearms video site, choose this one: www.guntalk.tv. Watch all the free instructional videos first, and then invite her to watch the safety videos with you.

2) Take a class. Better still, take a class with her. Make it a safety-focused beginner's class, not a high speed low drag uberskills class. She is absolutely right that there is little you can learn from a video or a website compared to what you will learn in person from a class. It is almost impossible to overstate this truth: a good instructor can save you years of frustration and wasted ammunition. He can also potentially save your life, since there are very few (read: NO) beginning shooters who are self-aware enough to realize the safety violations they commit without an more experienced observer pointing them out.

3) Go visit my website, www.corneredcat.com. Start with the basic safety stuff, visit the article about firearms sports (www.corneredcat.com/Learning/fword.aspx) and talk to her about a sport you could take up together, read and talk through the ethics, mindset, and legal pages. Especially be sure to visit www.corneredcat.com/Social/carryto.aspx and the pages that follow it to open up a discussion about how and why a "normal" person might decide to carry a firearm in various locations (including at home).

Hope some of this helps. Report back -- three months from now! (Any sooner, and you're still moving too fast.)

S..l..o..w... D..o..w..n.....

pax
 
Its easy for this to become an obsession / and hard for any of us on the forum to tell you we aren't the same way. I've been married a long time - and my wife understands my obsession with guns / but she gets a little narrow minded when I buy another gun ( and I have well over 50 guns ) because she thinks at some point, I should sell something I'm not using.

She understands the concept of a collection / but at some point, she thinks I'm a little nuts. I think wearing a gun in the house would be over the top for my wife too / she'll tolerate it when we're out somewhere - but it makes her nervous - and I need to understand and respect that.

She understood my concern to get my CCW - and she was ok with that - but she still worries about the extreme "tactical" fringe element among some of our members. She is confident in my training and attitude toward my guns, safety issues, tactical training, marksmanship drills, etc / and that gives her confidence / but she is still worried about the "fringe" elements out there that in her mind are "wannabe" cops, etc. She understands being prepared / but she also knows its a 1 in a million chance I will ever need to use a weapon to defend us / and she expects me to understand that - and make my decisions on carrying reflect that. So I don't flaunt it / keep it a little low key when the wives are around / and still do what I need to do for training, etc. - its a good compromise. I can still have all kinds of tactical discussions, ballistics discussions, pros and cons on various models discussions with my buddies - and not make her nervous. Its better like that.
 
Dude...Drop her like 3rd period French:D Just Kidding! I would drop the whole watching of videos of idiots shooting their guns. Get yourself and her to a range before it is too late!!! This way she can see your commitment to your new lifestyle...not hobby.
 
I dated a girl in the 80’s, lovely, fun to be around, loved animals (which is important) and was just about everything you could want in a partner,,,,. After dating her for 3 weeks I asked her if she would like to try out my hobby, guns. I wanted to take her to a range nearby.
You would have thought I had asked her to stand on the street and sell her body.
“I will not be with any one that owns a gun and I won’t come back to your house until you get rid of each and every one of them.”
I am just glad I found out early.
My wife (I have been married now for over 5 years) when I asked her the same thing, “I haven’t been shooting since my father took me out when I was a teenager.”
She carries a Smith 60.
She likes the flame with +P.
Yes she has a sister, she hates guns.

Dump her, there will be worse things about her
 
I had a similar incident with my wife before we were married. Both of us are Army (NG)- I'm infantry and she's a medic. I had just come home from overseas and bought an XD 40Tactical (oddly enough). I was packing it around the house, and thinking of applying for my CCW. She got mad, accused me of having PTSD, and said she'd never go in public with me carrying a gun. This was quite shocking to me since she owns guns and really enjoys going shooting with me.

I asked if she really thought I would pull a gun when I didn't have to, given my combat experience, four years of training(at the time-now looking at 7 years), and one year of carrying a loaded grenade launcher. I could see the wheels turning in her head. After ten seconds of silence, she simply said "well, just be careful." and that was the end of our differences (when it comes to guns).

Fast forward three years and my name is on the CCW list at the county court house. I still don't have it because my rural sheriff is slow about giving the class (been waiting about six months). We've had four murders in our little town this year, and every now and then my wife asks if I have my permit to carry yet. (She now has a permit to acquire as well) She now sees what I saw all along-- I am a trained and capable person in a sometimes dangerous world. Arming myself will not put her in any more danger, but give us a fighting chance should trouble find us.

I'd try that argument. If she's just a closet gun-hater, move along. Lots more (pro gun) fish in the sea. Best of luck.
 
all i have to say is this,my second wife of 30 plus yrs sits in the den watching TV with a loaded 38 snubbie hidden under a book has for 10 yrs or more and has never ever been against my gun collecting lifestyle. once in awhile she will make the comment "another one" but never says no.my first wife of 5 yrs was a outright bitch about the subject,needless to say we didnt last long. get this subject straight befor you go any farther in the relationship.she will learn the hard way if anyone ever trys to break in at nite,we did!
 
When you excercise your CCW rights it goes from a hobby to much more. It's like you were riding your bike as a kid and then you got a car....The CCW class you take is for starters. If you are smart you will try to improve your skills and mindset that goes with this responsibility. Among the first things you do is GROW UP! Emotional maturity should be first on your list. Next thing is to avoid, not participate in fights. Consequences of use of a firearm go from "ante up" to "all in" in a heartbeat. Are you ready for that? Your girlfriend may know you better than you know yourself. Carrying as a casual lark to be dumped in 6 mo. or so when you get tired of it may have been what freaked her out. If you are serious get the training to begin carrying safely and include your lady. It is a lifestyle with great benefits and severe consequences. Make sure you are aware. I have been carrying for about a year and now feel uncomfortable without Elsie P or Mr. J. I greatly appreciate the collective knowledge available on this site and the generous way in which it is shared.

Bob
 
Perhaps it's a bit much to simply say "Dump her." From my personal vault of Dumb S*** I've Done experiences, my wife also was a bit nonplussed at my metamorphosis into a more-vocal 2A advocate and practitioner some time ago. There are a couple of points to be made based on my experience:

1. My wife was raised around firearms, specifically LONG GUNS. She has hunted her entire life, can strip and clean any shotgun or rifle you so desire (with the exception of the AR or AK variants) and shoot the balls off a gnat. However, to her (and to her father, this being an important fact when discussing Daddy's Little Girl) handguns exist only to kill a human being, and can more easily be taken from the holder (I've explained that if an attacker is inside her bubble, her gun had better be empty, and he full of used ammo) than a long gun. I threw too much John Lott at her too soon, and being the stubborn type, she walled off any notion that she might actually enjoy learning about handguns. I backed off and shut my clam about it. She has since re-engaged with me about wanting to learn how to shoot a handgun, as well as learn principles of SD. I'm glad that I realized that I rushed her into this. She needed proceed at her own pace. Your g/f may simply need the same treatment.

2. Most people are terrified of guns, or at least react poorly when having them thrust into their comfort zone. De-mystifying them at a slow pace for her would go a long way towards preventing future painful conversations. Remember, despite this community's enduring love for the children of Mauser, Browning and Colt, most people view them as tools at best, or Evil People Slayers at worst. Show her, gradually, that they are both fun and necessary.


And, it might be wise to break your gear in when she's at the store. ;)
 
Not meaning to compare your honey to a dog,but to make a poetic image,a gunshy bird dog is not hopeless.There is just a back up,re-approach thing.
At least you are talking.I figure if two people have respect for each other and communicate,there is potential.Maybe you can work with her concerns as you would like for her to work with you.
I can,however,understand how an epiphany with the 2nd ammendment might change somebody.
Realize that your partner was living without guns,and now it has changed.

Some years back,I noticed there was an irrational overreaction to the presence of a gun.I recall a completely unexpected freakout from a close friend because I stuck a nice flintlock rifle in my pickup to show her once when I visited.I had forged the trigger guard,and carved the stock,colored the curly maple.She made furniture,and I was just showing her something I made.

At that time,I saw a very similar reaction from some other people and I suspect someone like an Oprah or a magazine was putting out the advise to women to freak and pressure the men to a no-gun society.Or maybe I'm wrong.

In any case,I'll suggest what might be re-assuring.Help her see a wise,mature ,deep thinking individual.It could be what you feel as passion and enthusiasm can seem like a kid with a new toy.I do not know you,and I am not commenting on your maturity.
Your partner can feel less safe,or more safe when you are armed.
If I were an unarmed woman who was sleeping with an unarmed man,and then woke up to a man who was strapped,suddenly I have become an unarmed woman with an armed man.To become comfortable with that requires a great deal of trust. It can be,if you are the right guy,that she will know that the safest place in the world is by your side.
She has to know she means more to you than anything,yet still you will be the man you are.You can back away from handling it so much,for now,and key in a bit more on "I want to be safe and responsible.I am going to get some training.Will you join me? There is a book "Armed and Female" I don't know PAX,but I get it that she is a resource for you.
Maybe a .22 to plink with is the best start,and plink with her!I stongly suggest a .22 is the best handgun to begin with.Ammo is cheap and you are more likely to develop good shooting skills insted of bad habits with less recoil.
Maybe the chances of her joining you are better with a .22.It will help if she can associate a handgun with having fun.Something as simple as connecting a pear and an apple and some Brie and a baguette and a blanket picnic with plinking with a .22 might be fun for her.Ask!!

Demonstrate every day you ae a man in control of your emotions who believes in peace.
There is a certain form of the Warrior who is most safe and comfortable to be with.It is not selfish,but serving.
 
The suggestion to take a class with her is a great idea! You'll both learn something and hopefully have an enjoyable time together.

My obsessions oscillate between firearms and guitars. My wife accepts both but doesn't get excited about either. That's fine with me since I don't much get excited by her hobbies: beading, knitting, sewing, cooking. Well, I guess I do get excited about the last one!

The main thing that causes friction with these hobbies over time is the cost of them. I make good money but I also took on a part time job a few nights a week. It gets me off the couch and all the money I make there is for my hobbies and is not part of the regular household finances. This saves a lot of arguments and lets me spend money on them without feeling guilty.

Since you two do not have joint finances yet this isn't an issue for you but once you merge finances it will be, so be prepared.
 
Pax said it best. I don't think I can give any advice that would supplement what she has to offer in her post and website. Maybe when your girlfriend is ready to take a little in, show her pax's site. It'll open up the true realm of a woman's POV of gunownership as a way of life....NOT just some hobby.

If it hasn't been said already to some degree, this is, from my observation, of what I think.

1. You have to believe in yourself that this is what you really want to do and take on. If you're wanting a gun in your home for any reason, it's a major change in lifestyle for you and whomever is living in that home. It's a great responsibility. There's no need to fear the magnitude, just respect what goes along with being a responsible gunowner.

2. You already broke a cardinal rule of relationships: Communication. I don't think there's a need to go any further than you should have discussed the matter with your GF. With that, you have to rebuild that bridge...

3. You may have a long road to fully recovering this issue with your GF. I'm not saying "dump her". But I am saying that there's no guarantee that your GF will ever see eye to eye. At that point, be ready to make a decision on which you are williing to sacrifice. Nobody can tell you what's best on this one.

4. Lay off the youtube garbage. I don't think it serves any purpose to waste time other than get a quick laugh. I'd concentrate on safety courses and reputable training courses to attend instead.

Hope this helps and good luck...
 
Buy a copy of the book Armed America for the coffee table. It's a great book showing normal people in their homes with their firearms. My wife bought it for me as a gift and she was surprised by how "normal" everyone was and really enjoyed looking at it and reading their reasons for why they owned gun. On each right hand page their is a candid shot of the person/people with their guns in their home and on the left hand page is a little bio of the person, a list of the guns they own, and a paragraph from them answering the single question, "Why do you own a gun." It really is an excellent book. The common portrayal in the media of people who like firearms as gun nuts massively skews the perception of a lot of people. Ever notice how people who like guns are "fanatics" but people who like sports team are just "fans". Dress yourself head to toe in NFL merchandise, spend hours playing fantasy football, and being planted on the couch watching games and your just fine. People even brag about it likes it's great. Do the same with firearm stuff and your considered a nut.
 
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You don't dump a girl because of that, you need to compromise a litle. Just talk to het and tell "listen I understand that you affeaid of guns, I love you or Like you and I am willing to compromise a litle, how aout me not carrying at home but I will be carrying when I am goin out" or something like that, I mean maybe she is the one and every one has flaws, perhaps thats her flaw, so just work around that dude.
 
Also remember that here on this and other gun boards you are talking to the people who are for the most part really into firearms. The vast majority of firearm owners have no interest in discussing them, or anything pertaining to them online.
 
A little common sense here. People who do not own guns and who have no experience with them tend to be freaked out by them. It's that simple. So, waking your girlfriend up with a nine strapped to your hip must have come as quite a surprise to her, to put it mildly.

My wife and I are avid shooters and, between us, we own six handguns. But, up until a year ago, she was totally averse to the idea of shooting and regarded my hobby with more than a little suspicion. I never carried a gun around the house, never tried to lobby her. But, after every trip to the range I'd come home and tell her what a great time I was having. Everything I said about guns accentuated the positive. I didn't talk about shooting people, or about self-defense. Rather, I focused on the fun aspects of shooting as a sport. When, one day, she said that she'd like to go shooting with me, just to find out what it was all about, I was overwhelmingly encouraging. One trip to the range, and she was sold (It didn't hurt that, as it turns out, she's a gifted natural shot and was hitting the X ring within a few minutes of shooting her first group) :p

So, my advice to you is don't break up your relationship, but back up a few steps and take it very, very slowly. I wouldn't wear guns around her, but I would talk very gently about the benefits of shooting. And, I'd encourage her to try the sport with you.
 
I understand her point of going to the range yourself but we all like to look at pics and videos of other guns, research never hurt anyone, knowledge is power. I would also tell her that what does she expect if you plan to CCW you have to holster and unholster in the house. My g/f was never around a firearm her whole life and her family never had any but she is comfortable around mine. I showed her handling and how to shoot.

I would recomend once you get comfortable with handling and range time to take your g/f along, and say that since it is in the house she should be familiar with it. If shes anything like my g/f once she starts shooting one shes not intimidated by they have a lot of fun, and now she wants her own.

My g/f started off with 9mm's then shot a few .45's, the only one she did not like was my PM-9 because of the recoil.

I would say that if you got her around them, and shooting them with you, and explained that you were trying it on, just like she probably spends hours doing with clothes to see if it fit ok.

Some people might laugh, but if im home alone, I take a gun around the house with me, including resting on a small shelf if I am using the shower/toilet. Personally I wouldnt want to fight an intruder bare fisted while bare arsed.:eek:

Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it as they say.
 
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