Old timer, against carrying one in the chamber...

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When I was 17 my old man was the dumbest thing that ever walked, by the time I was 25 it was amassing how much that old fool had learned. I sounds like your father has some experience and while his way may not be the best (for you) he still is not some one to be taken lightly. This is from an Old Buzzard who was also taught to carry with an empty chamber. Now my carry gun is in condition 1 but for most of my life it was condition 3.
 
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Well, if he's old, he probably isn't going to give you any great attention, so keep it short and to the point "carrying with the chamber empty is making the assumption that you will have time or position to chamber the round". Since most SD situations are unpredictable, assume nothing.

Perhaps as a compromise, he should carry a revolver. Does he really need more than 5 or 6 shots at once?
 
Jhenry, I'm old school, I don't doubt that you are right, but I load 5:Dbesides my smithy .38 is 80 yrs old:)
 
but I load 5besides my smithy .38 is 80 yrs old
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You, of course, can do as you please but your eighty year old Smith & Wesson revolver is just as safe loaded with six rounds as it is five. If you're keeping your revolver loaded for self-defense purposes, why would you needlessly give up 20% of its capacity. :confused:
 
Show em the Taurus Judge - old coots love those things !!!

A course I read right here on this forum of a few of em blowing up... oh well.


I had the same argument with my dad. I don't know how old the Ruger Mark III is, but I think it got it's Roman numeral designation because the actual Romans used the thing.

But that was Dad's HD gun, he'd had it forever and I couldn't talk him out of it. He didn't want a .45, he'd make a sour face when I mentioned 9mm. He didn't want a .38 Special or .357 magnum.

I'd talk about stopping power and he'd say "This is got plenty o' power, what are ya talking about stopping power? If I shoot em in the head with this, they're gonna stop..."

When Reagan and Brady got shot – he pointed out to me that the .22 was no joke. Ugh.. there was no reasoning with him.

The one time someone tried to break into our house, our German Shepherd nearly ripped the guys throat out, (he was on the other side of a screen door, she went right at his throat, the screen popped out but it protected the guy’s throat, she just couldn’t get a grip) .

I just take solace in the fact that my parents have always had German Shepherds, and they have one currently, cuz I’m never gonna talk my dad into getting any kind of new firearm.

Maybe I’ll show em the Taurus Judge.. who knows he may like it.
 
C0untZer0, your dad might be better served by a .22 he shoots well, than a larger caliber he doesn't shoot enough with to be proficient.

While it isn't my first choice, I can tell you right now my .22 S&W would not be a joke if that was the first thing to hand during a break-in. Thing's a tack driver, and one which makes head-shots on silhouettes at ranges up to 10yds almost a joke, they're so easy.

I'd rather have a larger caliber, and my SD guns are larger calibers, but a .22 sure beats a pointed stick.

And if I couldn't handle recoil, or had trouble with hand strength, I could see a .22 becoming the SD gun.

FWIW, my uncle, who used to shoot in competition, is in his 70's now, and finds he has trouble holding a .45 or .357 on target any more. He can still put 20 of 25 in the X-ring with a Ruger MkI.

Which do you suppose is better for him?
 
Why don't you get him a "Gift Certificate" for a couple of lessons in "Defensive Handgunning" for a few hundred bucks.....and tell him you're a little worried that he hasn't spent that much time really thinking all this stuff thru ....and hope he signs up for the lessons soon / or offer to take them with him ...

be supportive .....and leave him alone.

Let him make up his own mind ... ( he's an adult ...) ...and speaking as a dad and grandpa with grown kids and grandkids ...even if I'm being foolish ...it may, .... and I emphasize "may" ...be their place to come and talk to me ...but it sure as heck isn't their place to tell me what to do when it comes to things like carrying a weapon .../or how to do it ...
 
I think if he's made this far, he's probably got a pretty good grasp on the situation and you'd probably be better off letting him do his thing.
 
Sorry to say but it's his choice, don't badger him or he'll never carry with one in the tube, be gentle you'll persuade him, it'll just take a little time. To me it would be like carrying an empty gun. ;)
 
Sorry to say but it's his choice, don't badger him or he'll never carry with one in the tube, be gentle you'll persuade him, it'll just take a little time. To me it would be like carrying an empty gun.
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Oh you and your grump ol' butt! lol Yeah, agreed there pops. I can't feel safe knowing there isn't one in the pipe. But maybe he'll change that himself. To make ME feel happier. ;) (kidding) ...kinda......


8shot357 lol +1 I don't wanna get slapped, like I've said. :P
 
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=086_1260862712

This video shows a man who reacts to being shot at in his store, and tries to defend himself.
He is playing catch-up and is out of time; but needs to chamber a round because his gun's chamber is empty.

You may note that he tried to chamber a round at least three times.

This wastes precious seconds. He died.

A holstered gun, in a holster which covers the trigger, is a safe gun.
 
I only wish my Dad was here for a good old arguement. We were very close, last 4 years sure been kinda lonely without him.

Give the old man a hug and let him know you love him. Then go buy him a new gun :)
 
Simply tell him that you have done your best to protect him and if he gets his ass shot off because he did not have one in the chamber.....it is on him.
 
This reminds me of a good friend that keeps a handgun for home defense, locked in a so called easy to retrieve gun safe, magazine loaded, chamber empty. I advised him that I hope that he see's the BG before the Bad guy see's him.
 
Well, dont feel TOO bad. My dad is completely against CCW and thinks that those who do are "looking for trouble"

He keeps a handgun for home defense - loaded mag separate from the gun (condition 4) in the closet, safety on (its a DA/SA and the safety serves as a decocker) and a trigger lock. They have no kids in the house. The gun is a single stack .380 because he doesnt want to kill the person, just make them leave. He keeps it loaded with WWB FMJ ammo and maybe shoots it once a year. He will not keep another loaded mag with the gun (I've bought him 2 extras, various JHPs, and a holster that covers the trigger),has no idea how to clear a malfunction, and refuses to learn.

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Needless to say, we have had some arguments.
 
An unloaded gun (and that means a pistol without one "up the spout") is just a pretty paper weight. It can be converted to a weapon but I dont want to try to convert it when the SHTF. If you want the nothing in the chamber feeling of safety, get revolver and carry 5. :cool:
 
If you want the nothing in the chamber feeling of safety, get revolver and carry 5.
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It'll just be a "feeling" of course, because, as has already been pointed out, a modern da revolver or a sa revolver equipped with a transfer safety bar is just as safe loaded with six rounds as it is five.
 
I only wish my Dad was here for a good old arguement. We were very close, last 4 years sure been kinda lonely without him.

Give the old man a hug and let him know you love him. Then go buy him a new gun
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:( sorry to hear brother..your absolutely right. I'm looking into getting him a new gun too. Good call!

Simply tell him that you have done your best to protect him and if he gets his ass shot off because he did not have one in the chamber.....it is on him.
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That was going good and ended in a train wreck. Don't be a jerk. That's my father we're talking about here. It does not make you look like a hard ass saying it in that tone.

Yet I feel, your heart started off on the right place.
 
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