Old timer, against carrying one in the chamber...

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uh a revolver with a 6 round cylinder is always loaded with 5 rounds, unless you really want to risk an accidental discharge. I cannot say about the modern safeties on semi-autos, but the football player Plexico Buress shot himself in the leg with a semi-auto that was chambered and on safe and in his pocket, while dancing at a night club in NY. They locked him up for 2 years:eek: Any way I doubt there is a man on this forum that dumb as he was, but still safety is not an assurance against accidental discharge. Machines break, but an unchambered round won't accidently discharge. That said if I was expecting trouble(a cop, criminal or just in a dangerous situation) I would chamber the round!
 
Sometimes. . .not always. . .but sometimes an old dog will learn a new trick.

Present your case for and against carrying one in the pipe.

If your Dad is as hardheaded as you indicate, you are not gaining ground by hitting him on the nose with a rolled up newspaper more than once.

Sometimes, old guys. . .guys like me, have our minds set on one course of action and have taken "ownership."

It is not easy to change that mindset. Sometimes, the best way is to lay out the facts ( hit him with the rolled up newspaper. . .once ) and step back and let him digest the facts and ALLOW him to change his mind at his pace.

You may be trying too hard.

Remember when YOUR parents were telling you how much you would learn to love green peas?

The more they reminded you, the less you liked them. When they FINALLY just let go of the issue, perhaps you changed YOUR mind at your own pace.

Encourage him to look at some of those videos. He may never change and all you can do is try. If you try too hard, I can predict you will not prevail.

Good luck!!

Geetarman:D
 
I want to thank you all for the responses. Very quick, quicker than most. lol

Well I did tell him, and he did day "don't worry I can rack the slide" a human can clear 7 yards in seconds. He's really hard headed...Best bet, because he just recently found a new love for email. So maybe I'll email him that video above and some quotes from you guys.

I'm really nervous about the area and his method of carry. I wish I could be there with him all the time..He's getting old, you know when you see your pops getting older? Doing things weird and what not? I don't know...Maybe I gotta give the old man Omega-3 lol -____-


Anything I can email the man?




P.S. I'd feel kind of bad if he ND's himself LMAO



No, seriously.......
 
Hey Constantine. Your dad is probably my dads long lost brother. My dad is exactly the same. Store in bad neighbourhood and all.

He carries a snub. Always has. A few years ago i tried to have him 'upgrade' to higher capacity and got chewed out like you wont believe.

Now the amazing thing is that he and i suspect your dad too quietly practices when no one is looking. In 92 during an armed robbery he shot his little mod 85 Taurus and at a distance of 8 meters (?) shot the bad guy right through the throat, one shot, dead.

We saw it happen, he was like a flippen ipsc shooter, i didnt know he hit the guy and came running round to get a shot off but saw the guy running around holding his neck with blood everywhere.

Dont ever forget about the man with just one gun, odds are he knows how to use it. They didnt reach the age they are from being dumb, they are smart, cunning and hold their cards close to their chest.

I would not worry too much. I know exactly who u talking about, i call him Dad too. Why dont you try him out one day, he will suprise you. Im sure he has a plan worked out very carefully.
 
I just remembered. In the late 80s an uncle shot a robber right in the face and his accomplice in the lung with a Browning High Power.

This old guy carried his Bhp chamber empty with hammer forward.

Guys came in, one with a gun and attacked him, he kept his elbow protecting his gun and offered to cooperate. Under his counter he had canvas bags filled with old coins. He picked up one bag and handed it over, the second one he deliberately spill onto the counter and coins flew everywhere.

They where obviously distracted and he took his chance. Pulled his bhp, cocked it and it was goodbye bad guy numero uno, second guy ran off with this old timer in pursuit, he got him right in the back.

Chamber empty is not ideal but its senseless carrying condition one with not enough balls to use the gun.

An old guy behind a counter is NOT a soft target. If they give me wrong change i dont argue, i say thank you and leave.
 
The only thing im not sure about in my second story is if the bad guy, while looking at the Browning actually thought ' wow, what a beautiful pistol'.

It was by the way.
 
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He may also wonder why you are taking his personal business global and beat you like some of the dead horses beaten on the various threads here.
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First drink is on me in Vegas.:D You took about a minute out of my life LMFAO.:D I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything while reading your post. And I think you were being serious!:)
 
uh a revolver with a 6 round cylinder is always loaded with 5 rounds, unless you really want to risk an accidental discharge.
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No, not hardly. Older revolvers, and true replicas thereof, do in fact need an empty chamber under the hammer because the firing pin can come into contact with the primer and a blow to the hammer can cause detonation. Any modern DA revolver (and most modern SA's) are perfectly safe with all 6 chambers loaded. Hammer blocks, and transfer bars have taken care of this for us.
 
Amin, LOL wow.....that's a nice ending "Wow, what a beautiful pistol" lol haram.

Yeah? I have faith in my old man. I would just have even more so if he carried condition 1.

Yes, I wouldn't doubt it...too much in common anyways. My reigns in South Africa would lead me to believe so anyways. Pretty sure..there should be some kind of relation there.


Also, I at least would feel a little happier if it was the Hk USP .40 I got him...You think he'd carry the Snub? Nah...nvm...He's really happy with that SCCY..


So I guess I'll press my issue one last time or so, and if he does the same song and dance just leave him be. Hope for the best. Hopefully never has to use it, and if so it's in his favor.
 
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He may also wonder why you are taking his personal business global and beat you like some of the dead horses beaten on the various threads here.
First drink is on me in Vegas. You took about a minute out of my life LMFAO. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything while reading your post. And I think you were being serious!
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Ya lost me there.
 
uh a revolver with a 6 round cylinder is always loaded with 5 rounds, unless you really want to risk an accidental discharge.
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With regard to virtually all da revolvers made in the last 100 years or so and most modern sa revolvers (at least those equipped with a transfer safety bar), your statement couldn't be any further from the truth.
 
I cannot say about the modern safeties on semi-autos, but the football player Plexico Buress shot himself in the leg with a semi-auto that was chambered and on safe and in his pocket, while dancing at a night club in NY.
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Plaxico Burress shot himself in the leg with a pistol but the pistol was not on safe (at least not in the conventional sense) and it was not in his pocket.

It was a Glock (no manual safety) and instead of carrying it in a proper holster that covers the triggerguard, he was carrying it tucked into his waistband. It slipped out and instead of letting it fall, he grabbed for it and got his finger on the trigger in the process.

There are certainly some lessons to be learned from his mistakes, but implying that leaving the chamber empty is a reasonable way for a person to try to compensate for the sum of a variety of poor choices when it comes to handling and carrying firearms is way out there.

The solution to improper/unsafe firearm practices and handling is to stop doing those improper/unsafe things. There is no adequate substitute for proper practices and handling. There is no way to adequately compensate for unsafe practices.
 
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uh a revolver with a 6 round cylinder is always loaded with 5 rounds, unless you really want to risk an accidental discharge.
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IF the revolver doesn't have transfer bar ignition (i.e. not a modern revolver made in the last 40 years). The 5 rounds in 6 cylinders thing really doesn't apply to modern firearms.
 
OP:

From your post, it would appear that he has experienced a lot, and been in a lot worse places than most and come through unscathed.

Perhaps he is doing nothing wrong.

If he has carried for years that way, then he might well rack the slide anyway if he has to use his gun, in which case he has just lost a round.

I reckon he should keep on doing what has served him all his life.
 
My father passed a few years ago, but I understand the frustration of dealing with a stubborn senior. I had to accept that he was my father, and was free to take or leave my advice. I would make my case, and he most often would do exactly what he wanted to do. I hope to live long enough to do the same with my daughter and grandchildren.:cool: Good luck.
 
Well..... I'm an old Buzzard, and still like old school ideas on some issues, but it's always one in the chamber for me.
 
It all boils down to the old saying that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it carry a gun with a chambered round....
Denis
 
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