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The Model 1894 Winchester was originally supposed to be rolled out with the .30-30 and .25-35 as smokeless companions to the black powder .32-40 and .38-55, but not enough of the new smokeless powder was available in 1894 due to the same kinds of production issues.

The issues was John Browning, he would not allow the 1894 Winchester to be released because the new smokeless powder wore the parts on the rifle out faster, the rifle would not hold up. He went to the patent office, while there he found metals that were designed to prevent high pressure gas from escaping compressors for A/C. It had to do with porosity.

He fixed it, the 94 became available in 95.

F. Guffey
 
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"The issues was John Browning, he would not allow the 1894 Winchester to be released because the new smokeless powder wore the parts on the rifle out faster, the rifle would not hold up. He went to the patent office, whole there he found metals that were designed to prevent high pressure gas from escaping compressors for A/C."

Yeah... no.

Nickel steel was introduced in 1889, apparently in Europe and the United States at almost the exact same time. Winchester was aware of nickel steel alloy's properties and its potential for use in firearms as early as 1892, if not earlier, given that they were a huge consumer of specialty metals.

Winchester directed Browning to design a new rifle for smokeless powder, using the more durable, and much stronger nickel steel early in 1893.

Browning had nothing to do with going to the patent office and "discovering" this new alloy.

It's been discussed in other threads here that the delay might have been caused by problems Winchester had in developing tools to work the much harder alloy. That's certainly possible.

But, it's also known that smokeless powders were not consistently available due to the infancy of the manufacturing processes. Much of the smokeless powder that was being produced was going to the military, and much of what was being produced at this time was rejected or had to be destroyed, again because it was a technology in its infancy.
 
Winchester directed Browning to design a new rifle for smokeless powder, using the more durable, and much stronger nickel steel early in 1893.

Who am I going to believe? Your story sounds like the story Winchester tells. I will stick with John Browning and his story.

The story started with "A nickel of a picker", then there was the chronological list of accomplishments and patents. John Browning would not allow the 94 to be releases in 94, with out improvements for smokeless powder.

Then there is the story about smokeless powder, someone named DuPont went to Eurobe, got a job. The job had something to do with making gun powder. We all know anyone named DuPont had a job if he was anywhere near Brandwine. The question, if he had a job, why did he need another job working for another manufacturer? Was he there to help them or was he there to help US.

F. Guffey
 
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Du Pont had been working on trying to manufacture a suitable smokeless powder since the 1860s, along with just about every other powder manufacturer and military in the world.

The first successful smokeless powders, nitrated wood pulps like Schultz's White Powder, came out in the 1870s, but they weren't suitable for use in rifles or handguns, only low-pressure shotshell loads.

Paul Vieille cracked the smokeless question in the 1880s, and that fact was known world wide when Vieille received a very public award from French Academy of Science in 1889. By that time Germany and Austria had both cracked the question.

Du Pont for a time considered licensing manufacture of the German powder Ballistite, developed by Alfred Nobel, and also a Belgian powder (Wettern?), while they continued to work on their own powder.

If a Du Pont traveled to Europe, it was very likely to observe powder manufacturing there and to try to strike a deal to manufacture the new powder.

Winchester first began loading smokeless rifle and handgun powders in 1893, which is what led to the adoption of nickel steel for its future projects, so it makes far more sense that Winchester directed Browning as to the basic specifications of what it wanted in a new sporting rifle.

" John Browning would not allow the 94 to be releases in 94, with out improvements for smokeless powder."

That statement on its own is demonstrably false because Winchester did introduce the Model 1894 in 1894 -- as a blackpowder only rifle and chambered for .38-55 and .32-40. Browning didn't hold back introduction of the rifle.

Nickel steel barrels and smokeless powder cartridges were introduced in the 1895 model year -- when both barrels and powder were available.
 
If a Du Pont traveled to Europe, it was very likely to observe powder manufacturing there and to try to strike a deal to manufacture the new powder.

Sounds good but I believe all of this took place before back ground checks, and I do not believe he had any plans on sharing money or credit with anyone.

F. Guffey
 
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