Offhand at 25yds..

Re: the DA if you shoot somebody at 75 feet.

Odds are, if one does that, it's because the other guy has a ranged weapon (gun, bow).

If that's the case...

"Well, Mr. DA, I knew that weapon posed a threat at that range. Hell, I hit him with a service auto / 3" revolver / snubby... if HE was in range, that means I was in range, too."
 
I'll add that in my years of shooting I rarely see, on an average day at the range, shooters who can keep 5 rounds consistently under 8-10 inches at 25 yards firing 2 handed with time to aim. It is usually (but not always) only with folks who have some experience as a competitive shooter, in one or another discipline, that I begin to see better shooting. Some shoot quite well for self defense purposes to about 15 yards but have not taken the time to develop the skills for longer ranges.

Shooting for self defense is a small part of handgunning. Handgun hunting, bullseye, silhoutte (http://www.ihmsa.org/) etc. are all fun and develop good skills.

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Based on that experience, I tend to think of a good shooter as someone who can keep his shots in the black, i.e. turn in 10-shot groups of 5 inches or so, most of the time (slow fire, one-handed).

That is real decent in my book too, FWIW.
 
Based on that experience, I tend to think of a good shooter as someone who can keep his shots in the black, i.e. turn in 10-shot groups of 5 inches or so, most of the time (slow fire, one-handed).

It made me happy to read this, as most of the time I am keeping my 25-yd timed and rapid fire shots in the black (9 or 10 or X rings) and routinely keep 25 yard slow fire in the black when we do our "fun gun" matches using the outdoor 25-yd targets. :)

I don't often hit the mid-80s at 50 yards, but I'm working on it... personal best is 93 (all shooting done with iron sights, SA for slow fire, DA for timed/rapid fire).
 
Shooting at 25 yards +is good practice .But in real life THE FIRST SHOT ONLY COUNTS.
That is why some of us practice at 25 and 50 yards seriously and 100 yards for fun. When it comes down to serious we can make that first shot no matter what the distance. All you 7 and 10 yard shooters just keep practicing at 7 and 10 yards but if you ever have to take what I consider a medium range shot between 50 feet and 50 yards you are going to have serious sweaty palm issues as you doubt yourself. Us old dinosaurs who shoot 25 and beyond won't have that problem if we have to shoot at 10 or less because we have confidence about where our bullets are going to go.
 
I can hit a man sized target at 50 yards, but I hope I never have to take that shot. But it is nice to know that gun in my hands is at least capable of that accuracy if needed.
 
I had an 84 shooting a rapid fire bullseye round at 25 yards today using my S&W 10-5 snubby (one handed, fixed iron sights). I thought that was pretty respectable.

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I had an 84 shooting a rapid fire bullseye round at 25 yards today using my S&W 10-5 snubby (one handed, fixed iron sights). I thought that was pretty respectable.
That was better than respectable with a snubby. I bet those grips really helped. What ammo were you shooting. I shot a national match course slow, time and rapid fire against a State trooper turned sheriff with my 45 vs his 38 spcl snubby at 50'. I barely beat him by a couple of x's, all his shots were in the black and he was definitely down right deadly with that little gun. He was shooting green box Remington ammo and it worked great for him.
 
Hey Old Grump -

I used my 148 gr. wadcutter target load of 3.0 grains of Titegroup. It still kicks a bit in that gun but not bad really. Turns out the gun shoots a bit to the right at 25 yards so I ended up shooting at the left edge of the black and used a very firm grip.

My slow and timed fire were both 79s, so I ended up with a 242 today (all at 25 yards).
 
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When I was shooting NRA & IHMSA SILHOUETTE .You started at 25 YDS & finished at 200 YDS STANDING. with revolvers you hit some and miss some but it was fun.
 
It's pretty average to be honest, but that's ok.

Are you referring to spacecoast's rapid-fire 84 with his snubbie? That may be an average score, less-that-average frankly, for a bullseye competitor with a target semi-auto, but for a snub-nose revolver it's damned impressive. My rapid fire scores in competition hover around the high-nineties, but I can guarantee you I could never get into the 80s, or anywhere close, with a snubbie.
 
Nate, that poor old gun is so un-tactical, it's a wonder it'll even hit the cardboard at all! You desperately need to add forward serrations, ambi safeties, braze on a couple of rails and spray paint it black. Oh, and carbon fiber snakeskin laser grips... and night sights.

:D LOL

About three years ago, my Chief brought me an older Auto Ordnance 1911 which was giving him trouble even with Wolf hardball. I corrected its maladies for about $80.00 in parts, test-fired it and returned it with the request to let me know if it gave him problems. No accuracy work was requested or done, although getting the lower lugs seated properly on the crosspin and installing the correct link helped it measurably. A couple of times a year, he'd tell me that he and his son had chewed through 200 rounds without trouble.

A lot of our younger officers had never shot a 1911 so after qualifying, El Jefe' left his 1911 at the range so I could cure them of that deficiency. I posted some small 5" bullseye targets, stood them off at about 15 yards and let them run a mag each through it. It was great to watch them delight in the straightforward trigger & rudimentary sights as they chewed up the targets... it was like flash powder before Aborigines. There were 8 rounds left when one of them said "OK, now YOU shoot it!" I walked back to the 25 yard line, stuck my left hand in my back pocket and emptied the mag into a cluster you could cover with your hand.

When I started teaching Glocks a few years ago, I abandoned Old Slabsides, and the fact is that I hadn't fired one in a year and a half. I'd forgotten how easy they are to shoot well; but all the old muscle memory came back and I shot it OK anyhow. As you may have guessed by now, I'm getting the itch real bad. to make matters worse... Mongo like shiny things. I feel a trade coming on.
 
Off Hand at 25yds

That some good shooting...nice group from that distance. Try incorparating a little stress into it. Try running from 1/4 mile out, then drop down for 50 push ups...Now try shooting...this will give you a better idea of what to focus on.

Cheers!
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A common gun that shoots 2-2.5" groups at 25yds, rested has been considered accurate by gunwriters going back to the 50s (and I haven't read much older than that, but I think they would think the same thing).

If you and you gun can do close to that, offhand, its fair to say you are accurate with your gun.

Match guns (and their shooters) strive to, and often do better than that.

Practial reality for defensive shooting, you and your gun need to be "minute of man" at ANY range you can concieve of having to shoot defensively.

Hunting accuracy standards are higher, but then, game doesn't shoot back, so stress levels are different.

Good shooting with that gun. Congrats.
 
Indoor range here only goes to 23 yards...

... due to changes in their backstops and bullet catchers.

So far, this is probably my best 5 shot group, not from a rest, at 23 yards:

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I know there are others here who can do better, but for me this is good.
 
Having competed in bullseye competition for many many years, and having family and friends who are top ranked and highly competitive, I have had an opportunity to shoot next to and see some of the best.

I shot a couple of stations down from Steve Reiter (a National Champion) at one match, and his shooting was phenomenal. At 25 yards, timed and rapid he was turning in one solid hole targets. Ragged 2 inch holes, and complaining that this was his off day, and shooting a couple of 9's once in a while!
(timed is 5 shots in twenty seconds and rapid is 5 shots in ten seconds)

I also shot at an indoor match near a shooter who shoots out of the Olympic training center in Colorado. At 50 feet, his targets were one ragged 1.5 inch hole on every target. He was slow, methodical and machine like and very calm.

Both of the above were with .45 colt autos.
 
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