Odd experience at Walmart this evening.

Y'know with as little diligence he was displaying with his firearm I would venture a guess that he may eventually remove any possibility of his perpetuating his bloodline.
 
Y'know with as little diligence he was displaying with his firearm I would venture a guess that he may eventually remove any possibility of his perpetuating his bloodline.
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uhhh....


you have truly lived up to your name of "rantingredneck"
 
zex said:
you have truly lived up to your name of "rantingredneck"
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So nominating someone that carries a P3AT on a clip next to their nether region as a potential Darwin Award candidate makes one a "redneck?":eek:

That covers everyone with more than 2 firing synapses.;)
 
Any LEOs feel like weighing in on this?
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This is most definitely a call-the-cops situation. His display of the gun along with the (implied) verbal threat, joking or not, almost screams that this is not a responsible gun owner.

Identifying yourself when you call 911 adds credibility to the call, but it's not really necessary. If there's no other action on the part of the (assumed) BG, you'll most likely not be required to testify in court, even if you have identified yourself.

If the cops stop this guy, it'll probably play out in one of two ways:

#1. The guy has a permit and gets a rather large portion of his posterior masticated before being sent on his way.

#2. The guy doesn't have a permit and gets a free vacation in the pokey.

In this situation (and given that the cops find a gun), the search and resulting discovery of the weapon is all that's really necessary to present the case in court. Your presence probably wouldn't be necessary.

What your tip would do, however, is establish the reasonable suspicion necessary for the cops to Terry stop this guy and search him.

Now, as to confronting him in the store, even the cops aren't going to do that if it can be avoided. Confronting an armed suspect in a crowded store isn't the smartest trick in the book. The key is surveillance and patience, and confront him outside.

As for the tip itself, the more specific you are with your information (sex, race, age, height, weight, hair color & style, clothing, etc.) the more the stop will be legally solid for the cops, and it'll be less likely that the BG's lawyer will be able to contest the stop and have the case dismissed (assuming the guy doesn't have a permit).

One thing I would add here, and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it, is if the (alleged) BG has a vehicle, and if you can safely do it, get the vehicle license number! That will give us a lot of information on the owner, such as CCW permit status and criminal history, even before we arrive.
 
One thing I would add here, and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it, is if the (alleged) BG has a vehicle, and if you can safely do it, get the vehicle license number!
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Um, Red had said twice in this thread that he went out after about five minutes to see if he could see them get into a vehicle in order to get a license number.

Good story and good on ya for your reactions, Red.
 
I just don't think the cops should've been notified unless he openly threatened the other guy.
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Based on the OP's description of these young guys, I'm doubtful they had carry permits. The fact that he could ID the gun likely means the youngster could be charged for brandishing. I would have notified the police as well...one more thug off the street (for a day or two...).
 
Um, Red had said twice in this thread that he went out after about five minutes to see if he could see them get into a vehicle in order to get a license number.
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Oops! My bad. :o Well, that's what I get for trying to speed read a thread.
 
just curious about removing the sim card,
i may be wrong but will it not still give them the IMEI number which will be registered as the last phone to use the sim card, then, as soon as you put the sim card back in it will register again as the current phone,

they will have your number and details either way,
 
You did the right thing.

I would've called the po-po though.

The chip thing is not necessary. Your cell phone # would show up but not your actual info. Regardless of your info showing up or not you can request to remain anonymous and the LE agency will comply.

Most of the 911 calls I get are anonymous.

I would certainly have felt more comfortable if an officer was able to check out the situation. Even if you didn't get the tag, the vehicle description might have been enough to match a suspect vehicle from another crime.
 
This apparently occurred in North Carolina. I'm not familiar with North Carolina law...from what I've heard it seems to have a split personality when it comes to guns.

I'm in Georgia where brandishing does not exist as a criminal offense in the state code. Go to the official state website and do a search.

There is a statute against pointing a gun at another without legal justification...whether loaded or unloaded. But that wasn't the case here.

Wouldn't have tried the despicable "bet they don't have a permit" tactic either. I'm in Ted Nugent's camp, my carry permit is called the Constitution.(Not to say that I don't a state government issued permit but that's more of a matter of preventing statists from further rape of my bank account) And so is theirs. Even if they do dress funny and act stupid.


Even if you didn't get the tag, the vehicle description might have been enough to match a suspect vehicle from another crime.
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I'd be quite willing to lay money on there being at least one unsolved felony in the state of North Carolin where the suspect vehicle was a black, eighty something, Toyota 4Runner. I own such a vehicle. Only one problem with solving that unsolved felony in NC. I've never been to NC with that vehicle. Get a number, friend. They made more than one.
 
I live in Georgia, and as Byron points out we don't have a brandishing law here, so I don't think this guy broke a law in Georgia, unless he was carrying without a permit.

And I would not call the police on someone who was carrying without a permit. I think I would have just backed off, and checked out in another lane.

The guy is irresponsible, but I don't think I would have put the police on him.
 
There's no evidence he doesn't have a permit. If there were no brandishing laws in that state, why call the police? Do you call the police everytime you go to the range and see everybody holding firearms (assuming you need a permit to carry to the range)?

Sure if he looked to be committing a crime (or acting suspiciously like he was going to commit a crime) call the police, don't call the police because you saw his firearm (still mostly concealed) and his clothing was not to your tastes.
 
North Carolina

NC does not have a "brandishing" statute; the state allows open carry (except where prohibited) and concealed carry with a permit. There is a "catch all" statute - "Going armed to the terror of the public". I kinda doubt that anyone who responded would make that charge, though, even if he could find the group.

Given your options, and what you described, I might have made an attempt to get the registration plate number and passed what I knew along.

Crimes are often solved by seemingly unrelated information that is pieced together during the course of an investigation. You never know what this group did before or after the Wally World adventure and you never know what the officers who regularly work the area might be seeking.

One thing is certain, you can never have too much information or too much money!

Just an opinion and worth what you pay for it.

John
Mayberry, NC
 
Crimes are often solved by seemingly unrelated information that is pieced together during the course of an investigation. You never know what this group did before or after the Wally World adventure and you never know what the officers who regularly work the area might be seeking.
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Gosh darn it, you're right.

A middle class lady who drives a Surbuban and attends church locally every Sunday was recently found guilty in a major embezzlement case. Think I should contact the police with the license plate numbers and descriptions of all the middle class women who attend church regularly in the area? What we really need is Soviet style informers everywhere in all walks of life. It will usher in true utopia.
 
Sorry to bust in on the party but...

Don't all Wally-Worlds in North Carolina either post "No Firearms" or have a stated policy against firearms in the store? So were you both breaking the law?

I know my Wally-World quit selling guns. Manager said Wally-World was slowly getting out of firearms business (in other words, becoming anti-gun). If you buy a firearm at a Wally-World, they will escort you with it until outside the store in the parking lot.
 
No "no carry" signs on any of the Walmarts around here. Never heard their stated policy on it one way or the other. My understanding of the law here is that in order for it to be off limits there would need to be a sign. Not some "stated policy" in some obscure section of their website or corporate literature.
 
I've been to a few Wally Worlds in NC, but I've never seen a sign stating that no firearms are allowed. I can't speak for all of them though.
Just b/c they quite selling guns in their store doesn't mean it's illegial to carry there unless they post a sign in plain view.
 
I can't speak for all of them either, but the 4 or 5 within 30 minutes of me here, don't have any signs. Didn't see any in a few others I've been to in other parts of the state when traveling either. I'm kinda surprised that Target doesn't have them, but they don't at least not around here.
 
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