No way the mighty 30-06 can be beat?

see why the caliber is much more than a centenarion.
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That's due to it's military usage, and nothing else.
Same thing with the 308

Many of the NRA matches only allowed military cartridges, and for decades, those were the only two.

Why pretend they are substantially different than 100 other cartridges?
 
military being the ultimate wildcatter

B.S. to the length of time the .30-06 has been on top in many/most eyes. There is a four cartridge question on here and for me none of mine are MI. Even those serving use what is offered only because that's all there is for them.
 
Snyper, what, exactly, did I claim Sierra does with most every bullet and cartridge they test other than not working up loads?

I've never claimed Sierra does anything with their bullets at 600 yards; they've never done any of their production lot tests past 200 or 300 yards as far as I know.

The following quote from you rings no bells with me:
You also claim Sierra does it with most every bullet and cartridge they test, and without working up loads.
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What's "it?"
 
As I already stated, the two are very close in performance. So close nody will notice any difference in actual shooting.

When comparing two cartridges on paper the one with the greater case capacity always wins. The 458 beats the 47/70. The 460 Weatherby beats the 458. The 30-'06 beats the 308...on paper. In the field, nobody can tell.

Three pages of comments on the 30-'06 and nobody has posted a picture of one?


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Snyper, if the military would've never invented it, I would because I would've needed the bada--itude the cartridge brings to the field!;) ,or probably Bart B., thank god F.Guffey didn't come up with it, because hearing about it and not seeing or learning about it would be too much.:p
 
Snyper, what, exactly, did I claim Sierra does with most every bullet and cartridge they test other than not working up loads?
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I copied and pasted your quote
You've said many times any rifle with the barrel square to the reciever should shoot .25 MOA with factory ammo

What NRA sanctioned rifle matches allowed, or now allow, only military cartridges?
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Seriously?

http://competitions.nra.org/how-to-get-started/high-power-rifle-competition.aspx

Tournament programs often group competitions into two divisions, Service Rifle and Match Rifle.
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The rifles currently defined as "Service Rifles" include the M1, M14, M16 and their commercial equivalents.
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You've even said it yourself:

http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/AccuracyFacts.asp
All that aside, lets go back to when the .30-06 and .308 were the only cartridges allowed in NRA match rifle matches.
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Snyper,

... back to when the .30-06 and .308 were the only cartridges allowed...
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was my error, it should have said the only cartridges allowed were 30 caliber ones in the NRA Match Rifle Division; a .30 caliber carbine round was legal, as was the .300 Savage, but nobody used them. By the time I'd realized I made that error, nobody wanted to correct it except me and Sniper Hide had already posted it without my knowledge. Those were the only two cartridges used as a match rifle cartridge until the 1963 NRA Nationals when one man first used a .308 and won the Nationals doing it. While you may think that came back to bite my back side, no problem. I am not a member of the Perfect club.

NRA matches have allowed any cartridge based service rifle in the Match rifle division of a sanctioned match for years, but in the Service Rifle division, only those you mention are allowed. Bolt action match rifles are predominant in the Match Rifle division. That's stated in the link you posted. Years ago, the NRA allowed M1917's and M1903's too, in service rifle matches.

Let me know where I've said many times any rifle with the barrel square to the reciever should shoot .25 MOA with factory ammo. And where's the quote about Sierra's bullets?
 
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And where's the quote about Sierra's bullets?
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I quoted the post where you say they got .25 MOA at 200, which would be equal to what you stated for the 308 at 600.

Let me know where I've said many times any rifle with the barrel square to the reciever should shoot .25 MOA with factory ammo
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Here's an example:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6038254#post6038254

From Post #4 and Post #6:

If it is a good barrel properly fit to the receiver, it can shoot several times a minute for a few dozen shots into 1/4 MOA at 100 yards.

A barrel that walks shots away from point of aim is fit to a receiver whose face isn't squared up with the barrel thread axis.
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Most modern bolt action rifles will shoot sub MOA at 100 yards with one or two specific loads.

You don't have to try different handload recipes.
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This was in reference to a 300 Win Mag
 
I sell mostly brass at the one gun show I attend each year... which was just this last weekend... .308 brass out sold 30-06 brass about 4-1... my prices were good, & similar on both rounds...

so at least the 30-06 was beat in brass sales... ( by me, on this last weekend, brass was once fired decapped & wet tumbled, & sorted by headstamp ) ;)

I still like both rounds though :)
 
Snyper, none of your links to my comments have words in sequence to match your claims.
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We all know what you meant, so why quibble over precise semantics?

I've just noticed that sometimes you say it's just the cartridge, other times you say it's all about the gun

The quotes speak for themselves

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I'm with the group that says performance wise, they are close enough to not matter.

But,

The 30-06 has one thing going for it that the .308 never will. It's a two time World War Champion.

: )
 
Well to me, and I have shot them both plenty, the 308 is simply the 30 caliber version of the 40 S&W, something developed because folks couldn't handle recoil of a "REAL" rifle caliber. :eek:




Seriously they will both shoot fantastic and both will usually shoot far more accurately thant the loose nut behind the trigger can be held accountable.

I'm pleased enough with them both to have a couple of each on hand to use when I feel like it.
 
Mike, all rifles shoot more accurate on their own than with anyone holding and and aiming them. Us humans add our variables in holding and firing to their own accuracy levels. That's why benchresters don't hold onto them when they shoot them.
 
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