New York State Gun Control - Passed!

This is exactly why I say the SCOTUS (forgive me for the yell) MUST do some sort of enforced injunction against the State and the City of NY. There seems to be a palpable defiance of court ruling after court ruling. Short of enforcement by the court, I have no idea when this city or state will ever obey a ruling they don't like on this issue... They will knowingly pass unconstitutional law after unconstitutional law with malice of forethought.
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There are lawsuits already in the works. They will be filed soon.
 
I live in NY and am horrified. The senate here is the only block to this nonsense and they ran this through late at night with nobody knowing about it until it was too late. The assembly and governor are just formalities. Not a single email or Facebook alert from the NRA to let us know.

Heller stated that banning handguns wa not allowed as they were a weapon in general/common use. NY just rendered the majority of handguns and semi auto rifles useless by banning the ability to use them. This needs to be hallemged and crushed immediately.

The rest of the nation may now thank us New Yorkers. Cuomo's dreams of the presidency just died along with our freedom in this state.

I am sick to my stomach.
 
Ok. So I missed it the first time around, not that I can get any more nauseated, but according to the Washington post, gun stores have to run background checks for ammo sales and maintain a database of ammo sales.
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Nah, just bullets. Loaded ammo should be ok. :rolleyes:

Require stores that sell ammunition to register with the state, run background checks on buyers of bullets and keep an electronic database of bullet sales.
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This would effectively ban internet sales of ammo and place a huge burden on the seller.

I wonder if the NY lawmakers have heard the old adage about being careful what you wish for?

I can see the last legal gun owner in NY twenty years from. His final words: "It was a magazine dammit...."
 
This is truly sad. If you poor, oppressed people in NY can't take back the reigns to your state government, i do hope you can obtain shelter in a more reasonable state. It is hot down here in MS, but the government is very reasonable about your firearms rights; consider your options.

If i understood the mentions of restrictions on ammo purchases, i would hope that eveybody here would encourage any internet ammo sellers to fill orders for NY residents before they fill orders for those of us in comparitively free states.

Hang in there yankees!
 
I am kind of hoping people just get up and leave New York... Works better than a petition... But I know that is also really hard in these dark economic times.


Hal: weren't you a mod?
 
We shouldn't be encouraging people to leave NY, we should be encouraging people from the gun happy states to move to NY and help them set things straight ;)
 
Serious 5th Amendment issues abound
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Serious 2nd Amendment issues abound also... :( The 2A says "shall not be infringed"... Given our current, right now as of today environment, I think we are in desperate need of the SCOTUS to spell out in detail what "shall not be infringed" means to us lay folk...

I know I'm an idealist, but sincerely enough is enough... Isn't time for the SCOTUS to spell it all out... I'm sure they won't, but we seem to be on the verge of a constitutional crisis... at least in my view of the world... My crystal ball says tomorrow isn't going to make things better... I hope to be wrong.
 
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Hal: weren't you a mod?
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Nope - never....bite your tongue..

I managed to be just obnoxious enough to escape that horrid fate, but, not so much so that I got bounced ;).


Is this law 10 years like the previous ban or is it until it is overturned in the future (one can hope).
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It's a permanent part of the laws of New York...
or will be once it's signed. There's no sunset provision like the federal ban in 1994.

"Permanent" is also a subjective term.
Any or all of it is open to challange at some point by someone - but - I believe the legal term for that "someone" is that they have to have standing.

Since the law doesn't affect me, I can't challange it. I have no standing.
 
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Isn't time for the SCOTUS to spell it all out
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What this could boil down to is whether it's done while there are 4-5 guaranteed votes you may not like, or later when there are 6-7 guaranteed votes you may not like.
 
Signed, Sealed, Delivered:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/n.../json8.nytimes.com/pages/nyregion/index.jsonp

“We have some of the toughest gun laws in the country, and this just strengthens them,” Mr. Bloomberg told reporters in New York. “It fills in loopholes, and it expands it, as the society’s needs have changed, and the dangers have changed to all of us.”

During the Assembly debate, which lasted five hours, a number of Republicans criticized both its content and the lack of public hearings or other public process for considering the proposals.

One Republican assemblyman, Marc W. Butler, whose Mohawk Valley district includes workers at the Remington Arms plant in Ilion, said the measure “tramples on the constitutional rights of our constituents.” Another, David DiPietro, who represents a rural district in western New York, said his office had received 430 e-mails and text messages from constituents opposed to new gun restrictions — and none in support.

And Assemblyman Steven Katz, a Hudson Valley Republican, said Mr. Cuomo should not have pressured lawmakers to act so quickly. Tuesday was only the second day of the 2013 legislative session.

“Why are we being bullied into voting on this bill without our proper, responsible due diligence?” Mr. Katz asked. “Solely due to the governor’s misguided, egotistic notion that this will advance his presidential aspirations.”

But Assemblyman Joseph R. Lentol, a Brooklyn Democrat and sponsor of the bill, said, “We believe that it’s up to us to lead the way.”

And Assemblyman Thomas J. Abinanti, a Westchester County Democrat, said: “It’s taken far too many deaths to get us to this point. The Second Amendment does not guarantee the right to bear arms to kill innocent firefighters, teachers and children, and that’s the message we have to send.”
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It is for the Children.
 
Help me out here...

OK, one thing is still unclear to me after searching the text of the law several times.
-Ban the Internet sale of assault weapons.
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How does the law do this? I see the registration requirements, but not a ban on transfers.
 
I wonder if gun makers would bother making 7 round magazines.

Does this affect police forces or are they not affected by these laws?
If not maybe gun makers could ban the sale of these evil devices to everyone in the state...
 
Does this affect police forces or are they not affect by these laws?
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This seemed to be a point of contention during the NY Assembly debate. The supporters of the bill contend that existing provisions in the NY code should already exempt LE, but some opponents (and lukewarm supporters) contended that the provisions are too vague given the sweeping nature of the law.

I don't know enough about the remainder of NY state law to offer any comments myself.
 
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