New G2R 'RIP' 9mm projectile

Everything I've read about effective self-defense rounds calls for a head shot, deep penetration of the central body mass, or contact with the central nervous system.

If a round doesn't penetrate deeply, it's generally not going to be effective -- at least not quickly enough to minimize the risk to YOU... (A lot of shallow woulds may cause shock and the aggressor to bleed out, but that may not happen until he has done a job on HIS target.)

If there's something besides ballistics GEL in front of the projectiles, a larger, more massive round is going to do better and is less likely to be deflected when it encounters cloth, tissue, leather, etc., and it be more effective by NOT being greatly deflected (or stopped) by bone structure (like ribs)..

If the round creates a lot of small projectiles, even though SOME of them may penetrate deeply, it would seem that such rounds are less (or un-) likely to do a lot of damage where it's needed.

All this said, I'd like to see more than a sales presentation. Maybe they know something we don't?

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What Walt said.

The nearly imperceptible permanent wound tract left by the base of the RIP does not inspire confidence. It is the same problem that all such designs have.

Add to that that their website is replete with all sorts of errors -including a miscalculation of their own ammo's kinetic energy in spite of their claim that, "G2R's relentless study and applied physics have derived a radically invasive projectile that outperforms the rest" and it becomes hard to take the rest of their claims seriously.

Now we have an independent test in ordnance gelatin that shows just how poorly the round behaves.
 
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Thanks for the link to the review, Glenn.

The review indicates that the base is 48.4 grains which would make the "darts"/small fragments weigh about 6 grains each.

The ballistics results from the review make more sense than the video that G2 posted on youtube.

The TTAG results are not impressive, but even so I think I'll still stand by my initial analysis. Even with the reduced penetration figure based on actual gel vs. whatever G2 used for their testing, the center disk still makes it past the minimum FBI penetration spec. For someone who just has to have something "special" in their carry gun, this round might not be as big a bust as the other "magic" rounds out there.

They just need to make VERY sure it works in their gun. The TTAG review indicates that they had one malfunction out of the 5 rounds they fired through a Glock 19 for their initial testing. A 20% malfunction rate is obviously completely unacceptable for self-defense ammunition.

It seems pretty clear that a good quality JHP round is a better choice.
 
KE rating change....

The one recent article did result in the firm making changes in the stated ballistics. :rolleyes:
They claimed the 9x19mm 96gr round had a higher KE level but some math checks & research showed that was not possible. G2R now states the round's KE level is 370(foot/lbs).
It went from 436(which seemed very high) to a more realistic 370.

ClydeFrog
 
Its already getting negative press on some sites...


That said, I am not impressed, looking at the after effects once the gel has settled down, its very poor performance in creating a wound channel. The only wide spot is very shallow. The base penetrates well... that is about it.

Substandard I think, but the press will think they are the devils bullets.
 
^^^ That review doesn't surprise me at all. The only thing that has surprised me so far about this ammo is how much buzz their marketing has produced. I've seen several threads here mention it and a whole lot of social media discussion too. And after so many years of ultra-expensive "super non-lead ultra-lethal" ammo that didn't work any better than traditional JHPs, you'd think people would stop being so gullible.
 
Suckers....

People with more $$$ than brains will buy this new RIP line then it will cough & sputter out much like so many other "also-rans".
I don't want to rail over these defense loads w/o any "street shootings" or even any hunting results(which a few exotics did provide in some ways) but the firm: G2R really puffed up the ballistics(which have been contested in 9x19mm) & hyped the use(the last projectile you'll ever need). :rolleyes:

Flashy graphics & a few slow-mo DV clips may sell a few 1000 cases then US shooters will filter away.

Now; if this RIP line in .40, .380acp, .38spl +P, .45acp +P, etc does do well in critical incidents/LE shootings a lot of people will be surprised.
I'd add that the Ryan videos are impressive. Good production values. He didn't seem to have any cycle/feeding problems with the HK P30 L 9x19mm.
 
I'd be curious to see this in .40 or .45 where more mass is on the table. I'm no physicist but I think this design benefits from speed so the .40 might be ideal. Better yet, avoid all these feeding questions and try it in a magnum revolver round.
 
People with more $$$ than brains will buy this new RIP line then it will cough & sputter out much like so many other "also-rans".
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I might have to buy a box to keep my old S&W Nyclads company!:D
 
Extreme Shock is still marketing their load as a counterterrorism panacea. The design isn't all that different from the RIP. In fact, versions of this have been tried as far back as the 1980's. The Kaswer Law Grabber and Terminator loads spring to mind.

At the end of the day, if someone had really a revolutionary new bullet design that worked, it would have been widely adopted by now. They don't. What we're left with is silly marketing gimmicks and jello shot hyperbole.
 
At the end of the day, if someone had really a revolutionary new bullet design that worked, it would have been widely adopted by now.
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....or at least banned by now. Such as steel/tungsten core, depleted uranium, incendiary (in some states), steel darts, etc.
 
Hold onto your hats & open your wallets.....

I was on www.SGammo.com & saw they sold the new G2R RIP 9x19mm rounds. :rolleyes:
They are now sold out now but they plan to get more.
By the way, SG Ammo is charging $44.00 for 20 RIP rounds.
If the GA based firm is switching over to DRT, www.DRTammo.com then they might change the prices/vendors.

Clyde
 
i want 1 round of this just for the novelty of it. i put it in a little baggy and i can point at it and show it to ppl.. and say. will you look at that? sorta weird looking isn't it? oh and of course i don't even have a 9mm lol. but def. cool and weird looking.
 
i was at my LGS last week for about 20 minutes, in that time i overheard two different customers asking for the new RIP ammuntion, i kept my mouth shut, but it seems the demand is definetly there

i actually really like the DRT bullet, i have it and gold dots alternating in my HD gun, ive seen the DRT in action with hunting and it was pretty impressive, but really its just super accurate and easy to shoot

i also have to say that when i bought the dynamic research technology ammo, i had never heard the acronym DRT, it was just a nice looking box and a neat lightweight bullet to me, it wasnt until this forum that i figured out the DEAD RIGHT THERE thing, that has kinda turned me off to it, after i shoot it, i will probably not purchase again and will use the Cor-Bon alternative that uses the same bullet
 
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Hot chicks with big guns.....

Don't forget the DRT ads/marketing/packages with photo art of hot babes holding big guns.

I can just picture a prosecutor or litigator waving that box/ad in the faces of a criminal or civil jury. :rolleyes:

FWIW; DRT reportedly scored big in 2013. It was a little known brand but due to the other major firms(Corbon, Speer-CCI/Gold Dot, Remington, Black Hills, Winchester, etc) having supply/logistics problems, DRT got more sales.
There was a business media article last year that said DRT went from a small staff working one shift to a growing company working day and night.

Clyde
 
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