New G2R 'RIP' 9mm projectile
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Texts, post #15....
I agree 100% with post 15.
I could see your chunky little digits getting owies very fast with the sharp edges.
I'm highly doubtful a cleaned, oiled semi-auto like a SIG P series, Glock or M&P sidearm could spit thru an entire magazine of these "RIP" rounds w/o any problems.
My good friend(who owns a few handguns) texted me about this new firm.
We both think the company needs more T&Es.
I agree 100% with post 15.
I could see your chunky little digits getting owies very fast with the sharp edges.
I'm highly doubtful a cleaned, oiled semi-auto like a SIG P series, Glock or M&P sidearm could spit thru an entire magazine of these "RIP" rounds w/o any problems.
My good friend(who owns a few handguns) texted me about this new firm.
We both think the company needs more T&Es.
There are two things I do like about these rounds:
1. The center fragment appears to travel in a straight path. Some fragmenting rounds come apart in such a way that virtually insures that none of the main fragments continue straight forward. That means that you're nearly guaranteed that none of the fragments will penetrate directly into the target to hit what was aimed at.
2. The center fragment appears to penetrate quite deeply based on this gel-testing video on youtube. Many fragmenting rounds sacrifice penetration to an unacceptable extent.
Assuming that the gel test results weren't faked, this could be one gimmick round that isn't a total bust. Said another way, for the person who really, REALLY feels the need to load their self-defense gun with some kind of "magical" ammunition, this round would probably be a decent choice compared to the other "magic" ammunition I've seen on the market.
1. The center fragment appears to travel in a straight path. Some fragmenting rounds come apart in such a way that virtually insures that none of the main fragments continue straight forward. That means that you're nearly guaranteed that none of the fragments will penetrate directly into the target to hit what was aimed at.
2. The center fragment appears to penetrate quite deeply based on this gel-testing video on youtube. Many fragmenting rounds sacrifice penetration to an unacceptable extent.
Assuming that the gel test results weren't faked, this could be one gimmick round that isn't a total bust. Said another way, for the person who really, REALLY feels the need to load their self-defense gun with some kind of "magical" ammunition, this round would probably be a decent choice compared to the other "magic" ammunition I've seen on the market.
leadcounsel
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I'd challenge the claim for depth of penetration, and ability to reliably do the things claimed. It's a 96gr 9mm projectile. "Sawing" isn't what makes a bullet reliably punch through windshields and other barriers. Weight and speed is that does the trick; 96 grains is equivalent to a .380.... which is on the very low end of the self defense scale... and 96 grains is 50% lighter than the ideal 9mm defensive round.
When you are going for penetration, going lighter is a significant step backwards.
Bullet performance relies upon placement and physics (weight, size, and speed). Seems the real advantage of this is the fragmenting which can help in hitting an organ you might otherwise have missed (heart, lung, major arteries, etc.). In slow motion, looks like a very light ( 80 grains +/-) and small FMJ projectile, with fragmenting pieces.
This stuff looks like a very expensive gimmick that does nothing that a quality Federal or Corbon JHP, or frankly an FMJ (while less desirable, is quite deadly) doesn't already do.
Reminds me off all those gimmick shotgun rounds mixing various size shot pellets...
In other words, a solution in search of a problem.
There is no magic bullet.
When you are going for penetration, going lighter is a significant step backwards.
Bullet performance relies upon placement and physics (weight, size, and speed). Seems the real advantage of this is the fragmenting which can help in hitting an organ you might otherwise have missed (heart, lung, major arteries, etc.). In slow motion, looks like a very light ( 80 grains +/-) and small FMJ projectile, with fragmenting pieces.
This stuff looks like a very expensive gimmick that does nothing that a quality Federal or Corbon JHP, or frankly an FMJ (while less desirable, is quite deadly) doesn't already do.
Reminds me off all those gimmick shotgun rounds mixing various size shot pellets...
In other words, a solution in search of a problem.
There is no magic bullet.
Kind of neat, but I'm always kind if interested in 'novelty' ammo. The price is pretty outrageous though, $50 for a box of 20 is what I paid for some 180gr Black Talons for 308 (probably never shoot them, just like seeing the box on the ammo shelf). It's really funny what people think about these over hyped loads, as if any 180gr 308 round is more deadly than another!
6 shooter to the rescue....
In the early 2000s, I bought some of the "fang-face" .38spl rounds from Extreme Shock USA. The overall QC was somewhat lacking.
I used the exotic rounds for my Taurus Ti Protector .357magnum snub.
FWIW; a few US gun press articles claimed Extreme Shock USA was better than government cheese.
I for one, wouldn't trust those rounds or these new RIP bullets working correctly in a duty or compact carry pistol.
The firm's FAQ area states they R&Ded the new line with "Glocks, SIGs & Berettas" with zero malfunctions(problems).
That is a online open source(unedited) video Id like to watch!
One + for the overall engineering is the way it causes a lot of trauma/shock in most of the media. Unlike a few gun forum members & a few older training videos I've seen, I'm a big supporter of high KE level rounds & bullets that cause wide entry wounds/shock.
Some feel deep penetration will cause a fast/rapid reaction but I'm more in favor of a large(wide) bullet entry.
In the early 2000s, I bought some of the "fang-face"
.38spl rounds from Extreme Shock USA. The overall QC was somewhat lacking.I used the exotic rounds for my Taurus Ti Protector .357magnum snub.
FWIW; a few US gun press articles claimed Extreme Shock USA was better than government cheese.
I for one, wouldn't trust those rounds or these new RIP bullets working correctly in a duty or compact carry pistol.
The firm's FAQ area states they R&Ded the new line with "Glocks, SIGs & Berettas" with zero malfunctions(problems).
That is a online open source(unedited) video Id like to watch!
One + for the overall engineering is the way it causes a lot of trauma/shock in most of the media. Unlike a few gun forum members & a few older training videos I've seen, I'm a big supporter of high KE level rounds & bullets that cause wide entry wounds/shock.
Some feel deep penetration will cause a fast/rapid reaction but I'm more in favor of a large(wide) bullet entry.
Urban_Redneck
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Pelvic Girdle Grenade!
"Magic Bullets"....
While most savvy or trainer shooters know(or often learn) that there are no "magic bullets" or "wonder rounds".
Some new brand always seems to roll out on the US market.
I recall how MagSafe, www.magsafeonline.com , sometimes compares it's .380acp round to a standard .44magnum JHP, .
The LeMas rounds, www.rbcd.net another brand that was more hype than true performance in most common US calibers(9mm, .380acp, .40S&W, .45acp, 5.56mm, 7.62mm, etc).
You'd think if some engineer or ballistics expert really R&Ded a "breakthrough" design in defense ammunition, US law enforcement agencies or military groups would line up to buy it.
Funny, this RIP round is rare & only seems to get notice on gun/tactics forums.
Clyde
PS; As noted too, the retail sale price sounds way higher than it needs to be. To take "32 seconds" to make or to require "rare" elements isn't going to cut it.
While most savvy or trainer shooters know(or often learn) that there are no "magic bullets" or "wonder rounds".
Some new brand always seems to roll out on the US market.
I recall how MagSafe, www.magsafeonline.com , sometimes compares it's .380acp round to a standard .44magnum JHP,
.The LeMas rounds, www.rbcd.net another brand that was more hype than true performance in most common US calibers(9mm, .380acp, .40S&W, .45acp, 5.56mm, 7.62mm, etc).
You'd think if some engineer or ballistics expert really R&Ded a "breakthrough" design in defense ammunition, US law enforcement agencies or military groups would line up to buy it.
Funny, this RIP round is rare & only seems to get notice on gun/tactics forums.
Clyde
PS; As noted too, the retail sale price sounds way higher than it needs to be. To take "32 seconds" to make or to require "rare" elements isn't going to cut it.
Dragline45
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The only use I can see for this ammo is indoors for home defense where you would worry about barrier penetration. But even then, I am still not sure it is the best choice.
Cosmodragoon
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If I could find it at a reasonable price, I'd try it out.
sigcurious
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I'm pretty sure the gel tests were faked/used doctored gel. The "core" is effectively a ~10gr disc, yet it penetrates without issue. Their own video puts pretty significant doubt on their "defeats all barriers" claim. Nothing comes out of the back of the cinder block.
Not to mention, as TunnelRat alluded to, the entire voice over is pretty much gibberish from a scientific stand point.
Not to mention, as TunnelRat alluded to, the entire voice over is pretty much gibberish from a scientific stand point.
Yup, that's pure marketing hype. The bullet is making one revolution for every 10" or so of forward travel. That means during the entire process of penetrating a quarter-inch thick windshield, for example, it would make one 40th of a revolution. Each of the tips would revolve about the center less than 0.028" during the entire passage through a quarter inch barrier. Clearly there's no significant "sawing" action going on.
Where did you find that information?
sigcurious
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If it really is that light, then I agree that the substance isn't ballistics gel.
Playing around with trying to estimate the volume/weight of the disk and the petals/darts suggests that the center disk weighs between 32 and 56 grains with the petals weighing somewhere between 5 and 8 grains each.
Playing around with trying to estimate the volume/weight of the disk and the petals/darts suggests that the center disk weighs between 32 and 56 grains with the petals weighing somewhere between 5 and 8 grains each.
sigcurious
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I looked at some of the pictures on their website. Your estimation is probably closer, I come out at about 40gr for the disc based on estimates from the pictures. The base/disc appears to be 4-5mm thick. At that weight there should be similar performance to .25acp jhp. I don't recall specifics, but I don't think I've seen any data that would indicate that kind of penetration.
My 124gr Gold Dots work fine and have a proven track record. This is a very light (96gr) projectile that likely won't penetrate worth a crap. I'm concerned about getting a stop in a self defense situation. I'm not interested in finding a round that will do the most damage to eventually kill someone. This is a bad, gimmicky idea, and it's name alone is something that will almost certainly make the Black Talon bad press seem like the media was praising the round.
No thanks.
No thanks.
Brian Pfleuger
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So much time spent on catch phrases and a cool video, so little on actual science.
I wouldn't use it for one simple reason... "R.I.P."... no better way to scream "vigilante", Punisher, wanna-be. You might as well inscribe "Smile and Wait for Flash" on the muzzle and get the skull grips too while you're at it. Some things don't belong on, or in, a carry gun.
Aside from that, there's nothing informative in the video. It's like a video Flash-Bang grenade.... it just hurts my eyes and ears.
I wouldn't use it for one simple reason... "R.I.P."... no better way to scream "vigilante", Punisher, wanna-be. You might as well inscribe "Smile and Wait for Flash" on the muzzle and get the skull grips too while you're at it. Some things don't belong on, or in, a carry gun.
Aside from that, there's nothing informative in the video. It's like a video Flash-Bang grenade.... it just hurts my eyes and ears.