New Firearms Manufacturer
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Hmmm.
A. "Superior machine work, superior metallurgy, lots of customization options, and a TRANSFERABLE lifetime guarantee."
B. "What is the price going to be?"
In view of A, the response to B is likely to be "very high". Hope I am wrong, but all that stuff costs money. A high degree of customization sounds good, but it means the maker cannot take advantage of economy of scale, since each gun is essentially hand made. (Henry Ford made the auto affordable by saying that customers could have any color they wanted, as long as it was black.)
Jim
A. "Superior machine work, superior metallurgy, lots of customization options, and a TRANSFERABLE lifetime guarantee."
B. "What is the price going to be?"
In view of A, the response to B is likely to be "very high". Hope I am wrong, but all that stuff costs money. A high degree of customization sounds good, but it means the maker cannot take advantage of economy of scale, since each gun is essentially hand made. (Henry Ford made the auto affordable by saying that customers could have any color they wanted, as long as it was black.)
Jim
silvermane_1
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2AM; a M1911 in 357SIG in GOV and CMD size, all steel to handle the BB and Underwood brands of 357SIG, brushed stainless, or Colt royal Blue, maybe even Bi-tone of both, Novac sites, standard white three dot or nigh sites and maybe even Fiber Op ones with the the front site being trimmed to be flush with the dovetail, and the models can be single or double stack, and ambi thumb safety would be a plus, and come with 3 mags and a holster, and a nice polished feed ramp so it can easily except JHP ammo, and it has to be 100% reliable out of the box. there that's my 2 cents.
Cosmodragoon
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Full Case Load wrote:
Do you expect this new company to invent viable microstamping technology too?
Do you expect this new company to invent viable microstamping technology too?
PatientWolf
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Just a reminder, in post #19, the OP states that he is targeting the quality of SIG at a much lower price point. I interpret that as midway between Ruger and SIG to about $150-200 below SIG for a work-horse product. More than that and I don't think it is "much lower than SIG.
The problem is how to select which SIG is being used for comparison.
The problem is how to select which SIG is being used for comparison.
Maybe I am more trusting, but I think the OP is probably on the up-and-up, at least in his intentions. I do think, though, that like a lot of other would-be gun makers, he does not understand the obstacles he and his investors will be facing in getting into a crowded and highly competitive field, with a product always susceptible to the whims of nutcase lawmakers and regulators, and even basic business insurance unavailable or undependable.
Add the "demands" of customers, every one with a different idea of what he (or she) considers even marginally acceptable, and ready to load these sites with vituperation for any maker who fails to accede to his wishes.
IMHO, there is simply no way the OP can possibly manufacture a modern auto pistol with the features he says he will have, at a price point anywhere near his stated goal. Or have a product available in his stated time frame.
As I said, I wish him luck and hope I am wrong about his chances of success.
Jim
Add the "demands" of customers, every one with a different idea of what he (or she) considers even marginally acceptable, and ready to load these sites with vituperation for any maker who fails to accede to his wishes.
IMHO, there is simply no way the OP can possibly manufacture a modern auto pistol with the features he says he will have, at a price point anywhere near his stated goal. Or have a product available in his stated time frame.
As I said, I wish him luck and hope I am wrong about his chances of success.
Jim
Sorry for the delay, I was out of town for my other company.
Yes at this time I believe so. The independent lab testing CA requires is not too expensive, HOWEVER the people at the CA Attorney Generals office are not easy to deal with. I have been waiting for weeks to hear about what additional cost and requirements are necessary for state approval once the lab tests are complete.
I will post as soon as I know more.
speedwrench
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my wish
I wish somebody; anybody; PSA, cyl &slide, somebody would bring back the 03:08 hamerless colt. C&s done it in .45. Kimber does the solo. Dont tell me I'm the only one thinking this. It is the perfect pocket,ccw pistol.
I wish somebody; anybody; PSA, cyl &slide, somebody would bring back the 03:08 hamerless colt. C&s done it in .45. Kimber does the solo. Dont tell me I'm the only one thinking this. It is the perfect pocket,ccw pistol.
DannyB1954
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Wikipedia Says the designer of the hammerless colt was John Browning. What could be wrong with that?
Jim Watson
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Yes, a new gun submitted in Cal. must now have a loaded chamber indicator (and I don't think a slot in the hood counts), a magazine disconnector, and a micro stamp.
Hardly seems worth it.
Hardly seems worth it.
Jim Watson
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I don't think anybody has tried since the micro stamping bit.
Companies that want a piece of that market are careful to keep their existing models on the roster paid up and grandfathered.
Companies that want a piece of that market are careful to keep their existing models on the roster paid up and grandfathered.
softmentor
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Yes, a new gun submitted in Cal. must now have a loaded chamber indicator (and I don't think a slot in the hood counts), a magazine disconnector, and a micro stamp.
"Like I said the AG office was not overly friendly, or helpful, if they will require all that we will not make those modifications, it would be cost preventative. however id like to see detailed pics of any current model with these mods.
Owner Second Amendment Manufacturing "
Well, there are NO manufacturers who have microstamping. There are some who have the other 2 components. There is a court fight, being fought, in part, by CalGuns,
Actually I find it odd that you did not know that; if you are the owner of a new firearm manufacturing company. One does need to know what the competition and the industry are doing. Ruger and S&W have both already issued statements that they will NOT be trying to meet the CA microstamping requirement and will NOT be submitting any guns to CA for approval. Further, I find that it is actually very easy to reach someone on the phone at CADOJ, and that they are very willing to help with questions and provide answers. Just look up the phone number at their web site and then pick up the phone and dial it. Maybe you should try the CADOJ, instead of some AG office. The CADOJ are the ones who handle the certification of hand guns for manufacturers.
Yes, a new gun submitted in Cal. must now have a loaded chamber indicator (and I don't think a slot in the hood counts), a magazine disconnector, and a micro stamp.
"Like I said the AG office was not overly friendly, or helpful, if they will require all that we will not make those modifications, it would be cost preventative. however id like to see detailed pics of any current model with these mods.
Owner Second Amendment Manufacturing "
Well, there are NO manufacturers who have microstamping. There are some who have the other 2 components. There is a court fight, being fought, in part, by CalGuns,
Actually I find it odd that you did not know that; if you are the owner of a new firearm manufacturing company. One does need to know what the competition and the industry are doing. Ruger and S&W have both already issued statements that they will NOT be trying to meet the CA microstamping requirement and will NOT be submitting any guns to CA for approval. Further, I find that it is actually very easy to reach someone on the phone at CADOJ, and that they are very willing to help with questions and provide answers. Just look up the phone number at their web site and then pick up the phone and dial it. Maybe you should try the CADOJ, instead of some AG office. The CADOJ are the ones who handle the certification of hand guns for manufacturers.
Cosmodragoon
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James K wrote:
That's why I joked about the manufacturer here being expected to invent new technology to sell in California. It is my understanding that effective microstamping technology doesn't yet exist. Just as requiring all new guns to be made of Adamantium or Rearden Metal would be a de facto ban on all new guns, I can't imagine that this wasn't intended.
That's why I joked about the manufacturer here being expected to invent new technology to sell in California. It is my understanding that effective microstamping technology doesn't yet exist. Just as requiring all new guns to be made of Adamantium or Rearden Metal would be a de facto ban on all new guns, I can't imagine that this wasn't intended.
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