New Firearms Manufacturer

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options, quality, usability

1) would like the the magazines use one of the existing manufacture magazines
If full size, pls use magazines long enough to hold .38 Super. This will also allow you to build .38 super, .22TCM for the same frame



2) Please make the slide easy to slide for folks with arthritis or weak grip
This often means specialized recoil system design

3) if it is single stack, should be as thin as STI LS9

4) no sharp edges

5) basic disassembly should not require gorilla power

6) Should use a barrel from existing gun that has good aftermarket support, and some springs, and other parts that break

7) Finish should be sea-sault resistant and scratch resistant


8) Should have a 22 caliber conversion (pink preferably in finish :-) ) under 175$


9) frame mounted safety


10) carabine frame option (as when a gun is fitted with longer barrel)

for under 200$


11) aftermarket holster support


12) short reset trigger


13) lower bore axis than a SIG

14) wooden grips that can fit from another popular gun
 
The carbine mounting idea is a very good one. I'm not a Glock guy but a primary reason I've been eyeballing them lately is conversion barrels and the ability to slap what is essentially a carbine upper on them.
 
The microstamping technology exists, but has never been tried on a large scale. The inventor claims all kinds of good motives but in reality is hoping to become a multi-millionaire by having the process mandated by law. He claims not to be "anti-gun", but that would get him a dozen "Pinocchios" from the Fact Checker, since he has allied himself with the most extreme anti-gun elements.

He might be disappointed, though. If he gets his wish of banning all privately owned guns, his process won't be used (it will not be used for police or military guns) and he won't make millions. Too bad.

The idea is to impose something that manufacturers cannot do, then use that as an excuse to ban guns. The claim will be that "We merely wanted to prevent crime, but the gun makers wouldn't comply so they had to go out of business. Not our fault."

Jim
 
James K, my source for this information has just been listening to Gun Talk Radio with Tom Gresham every week. This issue comes up regularly and between Tom and his industry guests, it doesn't sound like it "has never been tried on a large scale" but that there are currently insurmountable barriers to implementation, period.

Everything I've heard there and what I'd expect based on knowledge of the movement from elsewhere suggests that you are absolutely right when you say that "the idea is to impose something that manufacturers cannot do".
 
Microstamping of serial numbers have been used in other fields, including such things as medical devices. I am not sure either that gun manufacturers cannot do it (at reasonable cost) or that the motive is entirely anti-gun. Still, I know that the push for it is coming from the same people who have proposed various kinds of gun bans, controls, and restrictions, including even the death penalty for possession of a gun. Quite frankly, I am not inclined to trust any of those people on anything having to do with gun laws.

Jim
 
Microstamping of serial numbers have been used in other fields, including such things as medical devices.
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The issue is not microstamping during an industrial process but installing the capability to reliably microstamp every round in a handheld firearm. It is a very different technical challenge.
 
even though this thread got derailed with CA issues, (and I'm a CA resident and would love to see new guns have a chance in CA) I'm still wondering about this new gun?
found this face book page

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Second-Amendment-Manufacturing/637481712972677

and found this website
http://www.2amfg.com/

Copyright. 2nd Amendment Manufacturing. All Rights Reserved.

2AM Model 1.0

The Model 1.0 is Manufactured to the highest standards using the highest quality materials.

The Model 1.0 is chambered for the 9x19mm Parabellum cartridge.

The 2am Model 1.0 is a full size pistol Manufactured by Second Amendment Manufacturing.

The Model 1.0 is an “all metal” design utilizing an aluminum frame and stainless steel slide. All parts are CNC machined to exacting standards, there is no plastic, or cast parts used in the construction of the Model 1.0

American Owned, American Made, with American Materials. God Bless the USA

Pre purchase sales available in August of 2014
 
Sorry I missed this earlier.
What market share are you looking to capture, the greater unwashed, the firearms enthusiasts, elite shooters, or the collectors of all things fine and rare?
I'd be more than happy to try one sometime. All I ever ask is that it be simple nd elegant. :)
 
Do something different. A full size, large, double stack 9mm PPK clone. Why? Because that is the best looking handgun every made
 
I would be looking at the other end of the market.
I would also much prefer to have 4 mags than any sort of box. The boxes won't fit in a safe so they end up in a closet unused. When I go to the range I have a foam lined universal pistol box I can fit a few in.
 
TennJed wrote:
Do something different. A full size, large, double stack 9mm PPK clone. Why? Because that is the best looking handgun every made
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I've always liked these or their CZ clones. There's just something about them. The weight versus light caliber makes them fun to shoot but I always wondered if they could be set up in 9mm.

johnwilliamson062 wrote:
I would also much prefer to have 4 mags than any sort of box. The boxes won't fit in a safe so they end up in a closet unused. When I go to the range I have a foam lined universal pistol box I can fit a few in.
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Boxes are cool but when you have other storage utilities, they can become useless packaging. I've also got guns where I've changed the grips and now they don't fit their box anymore.
 
Just copy the CZ P01 like TriStar and so many others have... but offer an extended/threaded barrel with tall sights.

Or make a 4.25" 1911 in 9mm!!! (Please, I'm beggin ya).
 
Something inexpensive would be ideal...

Also, with your CNC experience, if you could make a line of inexpensive forming dies, you'd do well here.... ;)
 
Make it as rust proof as possible. Sig, for example, kills me. Stainless slide, alloy frame and then the barrel and all the controls (on the left side, against my sweaty body) are blued carbon steel. Really? Can't stamp those parts out of stainless?

I really like the Sig DAK trigger. I think a smooth, light And consistent DA trigger is a good thing on a defense gun. No safeties, no decocker. As soon as you are using it, it reverts back to a safe state of readiness by itself.

I prefer hammer fired. I like to carry my off duty gun appendix. A cocked and locked or cocked striker fired gun makes me queasy pointed at my femoral artery.
 
Well.. I would look at why people buy what they do.
For sure if you listen to my wants. You will go broke.

Take AR's and AK's for instance. If you look at mine you wont find any more plane jane guns out there.
All I care about is function.

But the vast majority of people buying AR's and Ak's like to bling them up.
I bet you would be hard pressed to find any thing including fuzzy dice that wont sell.

I would suggest you make one as a 1st entry into a all ready crowded market.
Make it as customizable as possible. Give them a whole box full of swappable junk. Grips, lights, Lazers, ect.

I wont be buying one. But I bet the fuzzy dice crew will eat them up.

Now for me. I just want one gun sold as a set that can swap out 9mm for 40.
I know there are already some you can buy the extra barrel latter.
I want one sold ready and tested.
 
I have just been lurking, but have this one thought...

Like COZ, I am not a builder or tuner. All my guns are stock. I don't order upgrade parts before I fire the weapon, I like them as they come.

That said, if mfgs could learn from the Remington R51 issue and do what they can so that the first production version is not the beta, they would win a lot of hearts and minds right then.

Also, get T&E pieces to thought leaders like Hickok45. Hickok is very gentle with reviews and rarely speaks harshly. If he does...people listen.
 
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SpareMag is right. Making a quality product and getting it into the hands of some of the more popular web reviewers out there is a great idea. How many of us these days watch Hickock45 but skip the magazine rack? If I'm thinking about a purchase or want to know, here and YouTube are my first stops.

There are also some popular podcasts out there. While Gun Talk is a big-time professional radio program, getting your quality product into Tom Gresham's hands couldn't hurt.

BTW, this thread is shaping up to be a nice free resource for any gun company...
 
The elephant in the room:

It has to look so good the owner's self image is immediately boosted, while his buddies ooze jealousy they didn't get one.

No, really. It's why the PPK doesn't sell as well as it could - it's a tad too Euro, too slick, too refined. It's not a rompin stompin combat gun. It's reputation is shaped by images of a constable in trench coat walking cobblestoned streets and smoking small cheap cigarettes while holding them backwards. It doesn't help he wears little round glasses.

Nope, styling is KING on a rollout, it's where it makes or breaks the mold. The R51 - aside from it's reliability issues - lost the retro look with it's restyle and comes off as a plastic BB gun from Taiwan - the grip lines come off horribly. I've owned better looking cap guns from Hasbro.

A gun has to have clear, distinctive lines with purpose - unlike the hockey stick on the LCP/Keltec receiver that does nothing but waste time. Every line, no matter what, has to be there for a purpose, not useless embellishment. Even if that purpose itself isn't all that important - like the slide cuts on the P938 forward of the chamber. They at least look like they have a reason. The original 1911 didn't bother tho, and it's remarkably free of all that.

So, no milling or cuts for no reason - take the weight out some other way. Don't try to slick it up, avoid the ray gun look at all costs. Even the P7 was ok in it's way, much more successful than the VP70 - which I remember well, I owned a spring powered version from the local grocer's toy rack.

Toys and ray guns aren't the way to style it, it has to look like every design specific feature is there for it's purpose and nobody's making any excuses about them.

It's either "deadly serious," or it's a flash in the pan collectible. Don't compare with all the great sellers, just avoid what ruins image. The better guns are always tools first - a firearm - not an exercise in fantasy.
 
I posted in the wrong thread. Offer a compatible carbine from day one. Same mags and as much else the same as possible. A wire frame and long barrel work for me.
 
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