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MR. Borland, rifles and bows are different. If a bow is not tuned correctly, it will not shoot accurately. If a bow has much velocity spread, it is out of tune and is not going to be accurate.
 
reynolds357 said:
MR. Borland, rifles and bows are different. If a bow is not tuned correctly, it will not shoot accurately.
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I understand. My point to Boogershooter was simply that one doesn't need to be obsessive about chrono readings to develop a good rifle load.
 
Rifle designer and outfitter Les Bowman observed that his hunters who shot 300 magnums or bigger did not shoot well.

He designed the 7mm Remington Magnum in the early 1960's.

"During the first years of production more Model 700s in 7 mm Rem. Mag. were sold than all other big-game chamberings combined, and that included the .270 Win. and .30-'06 Sprg.
 
During the first years of production more Model 700s in 7 mm Rem. Mag. were sold than all other big-game chamberings combined, and that included the .270 Win. and .30-'06 Sprg.
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.... and then the market realized that burning 20-25% more powder in a PITA belted case, along with the extra recoil and shortened barrel life did not buy them 20-25% better results ...... and the marketing hype died and sales of .270WIN and .30-06 Sprg. went back to what they were before ....... ;)
 
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During the first years of production more Model 700s in 7 mm Rem. Mag. were sold than all other big-game chamberings combined, and that included the .270 Win. and .30-'06 Sprg.
.... and then the market realized that burning 20-25% more powder in a PITA belted case, along with the extra recoil and shortened barrel life did not buy them 20-25% better results ...... and the marketing hype died and sales of .270WIN and .30-06 Sprg. went back to what they were before .......

Yes,
The market went back to those who can shoot a reasonable 7mm Magnum well and enjoy the improvement in less drop, wind drift and striking power.
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Just a funny experience I think is worth saying! Back in may of 2014 our local range had a rifle match! Two days before the match we were there playing with our 22's enjoying the after dark session when a 40 ft camper pulls up! Immediately after parking a gentleman walks over to us and observes for a few minutes! Then goes back to his camper! He starts pulling out all kinds of equipment! So we got curious and walked over to see if he needed help! He wasn't a young man and his equipment looked heavy! He proceeded to tell us he was going to monitor the moisture in the air and also in the ground! The barometric pressure and other things I can't remember! I asked if all this was really that important for a 600 yard max range! He said absolutely! The moisture dictates which powder he was going to use in his loads! He doesn't load his match ammo until the night before he shoots then he keeps it at a constant temperature until it goes into his rifles to b shot! Is this common or is he the extreme?
 
It is extreme. On occasion, a world record holder shows up to shoot with us. He reloads his ammo between sessions. It has more to do with the fact that he wants to use the same few pieces of brass over and over than it has to do with anything else.
 
We went back that Saturday not to compete but to see the different rigs people were using! It was amusing to say the least! Everything from cheap light rifles to custom heavy rifles I'm not I could tote! Some even had custom wagons to pull thier stuff around with! I can only see myself spending that kind of time and money on it if my kids get into that!
 
Several years ago, a shooter had all his stuff in an old bread delivery truck with peeling paint. It smoked and backfired. The man had money and could have bought as nice a vehicle as he wanted, but the piece of junk was what he wanted. He would show up, blowing smoke and popping. Then, he would usually out shoot the shooters who showed up with the $$$$ toys. "Priceless" as the commercial says.;)
 
Your original post said that you were interested in a long range capable target shooter, as well as a good rifle to take to the deer lease. I have become more interested close range woods hunting lately, but I have shot many deer in excess of 500 yards.

I have used 308, .30-06, 25-06, and 7mm rem mag. But the rifle that I have had the most success with and that I have found to be the best compromise between long range accuracy, recoil, and payload delivery has been the 7mm WSM.

Read this:

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek064.html
 
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