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A new ( better suited ) rifle isn't going to fix everything but rather eliminate some variables!

As far as hunting, that is the benefit of fast, efficient bullets: less time of flight, so there's less to be math done on the fly ..... if all you are doing is punching paper or ringing steel, those targets will wait around all day until you are good and ready ..... live animals, not so much.


AI prefer to learn as much as I can here before throwing thousands of dollars away on a gun that isn't suitable for what I want!

I don't have "thousands of dollars" to spend, but any gun purchase is money well spent, in my book ......

I apologize if I have offended anyone but there are those to listen to and those to be entertained by!

Can't I be both? I think I'd have to be: nobody would know if I was entertaining is nobody listened .......

I can see by just a couple threads I've started who is knowledgable and he who just has to say something!

While I do not claim to be "knoledgable", I do have some experiences that I think might, in many cases, be thought provoking .....
 
My wife refers to purchasing any new firearm as throwing money away! You are correct no purchase is throwing money away! I believe a good rifle holds its value and goes up when they are discontinued but cheap guns will never gain value! I have more rifles, shotguns, and pistols than most local gunshops! I love fine firearms but still hav'nt mastered fine shooting and probably never will! I have 4 kids a full time job and depending on the season full time hobbies! I have a hoopnet license for catfish that I do now after hunting season! I deer hunt and duck hunt! During the summer I fish for turtles! Third best meat in the world! Only deer and elk beat it! I don't like the 270! I have no problem with anybody who does as it is a great round just not for me! I have 3 30-30's I have acquired over the years but choose not to hunt with them! I do allow my kids to hunt with them! They prefer the 300 blk out ar because they can adjust it to fit each of them perfectly! Even tho they have thier own rifles better suited for deer hunting! I'm a fan of drt and from 25+ years of shooting deer the 270 and 30-30 didn't deliver the performance I like! They are both great and proven rounds just not what I like! I'd rather drive a porche than my z-71 but I'm a poor man!
 
I'm not comparing the 270 to the 30-30! I have a 7mm-08 sitting in the safe I hav'nt took hunting yet! It's 3 years old now! I'm just hard headed! I just got up and counted! There are well over a dozen deer rifles n there that hav'nt earned a notch in several years! So now back to the original thread! It's either gona b 300 wsm or 264 winmag! I don't think savage is chambering the model 12 in 264. Decisions decisions decisions! The trg isn't chambered for it either but that can b changed if I'm willing to wait and pay! I guess my best bet is to find another builder and go from there! One more question! Does any of the barrels seem to last any longer than others? Prolly a dum question! Is there any tricks I can have done to the throat or anything to make it last longer and still maintain accuracy?
 
I have had the best luck with Lilja barrels. I am not going to build anymore .264 Win mags. The next time one needs a barrel, it is going to become a .26 Nosler.
 
I may have a cheap solution! My buddy owner of the lgs can get me a tikka super varmit in 25-06 for around $1000! If they truely will shoot as good as my sako's I will b pleased! I'm just not sure bout hunting bullets with this cartridge! It's popular here and know quite a few people that hunt with it! It should shoot plenty flat enuf for targets at 500! I already have a rem 700 in 25-06 that doesn't get used! May trade it for a good scope! I've never been much on trading or selling but I simply don't care much for the rifle and don't shoot it! Just kept it around incase one of the kids decide they want to use it! Or use the action in a build one day!
 
The 25-06 doesn't do anything that a .270 wont do better. Plus the .270 can handle heavier bullets.
Take that 700 action and send it off for rebarrel, true action, lap lugs, scope base holes redrilled for 8-40's, and get yourself a fast twist barrel, in a 6.5 caliber like, 6.5-06.
Then you will have something.
 
The 25-06 doesn't do anything that a .270 wont do better. Plus the .270 can handle heavier bullets.
Take that 700 action and send it off for rebarrel, true action, lap lugs, scope base holes redrilled for 8-40's, and get yourself a fast twist barrel, in a 6.5 caliber like, 6.5-06.
Then you will have something.

But not something he wanted in the first place.

He is a a fan of light bullets at very fast speeds .... and does not handload.

Maybe that .25-06 with a light, bonded or solid type bullet .....

Barnes Vortex has a 25-06 loading, but it drops under 1K ft/pounds of energy just past 400 yards .... pretty flat shooting, but not the "Hammer of Thor" DRT energy the OP is looking for .....

Nosler offers 100 grain E-tip and Partion loadings in 25-06, but doesn't provide ballistics .......

..... maybe not. There's not a terrible lot of long range loaded ammunition for the 25-06 .....
 
just for entertainment....

What's up with all the exclamation marks? Don't the period key work? I 'druther drive an old pickup truck than ANY sports-car..... An' a man with that many guns needs another rifle like he needs a hole in his head.... But, then again,.... What's need got to do, got to do with it? Not judgin',....just sayin'... In my experience, (I've got a lot of it, I'll have you know.....), the 270 is a quicker deer killer than the 308 by a wide margin. Why, I shot a deer with a 308 this one time, drilled it through the lungs and knocked right down hard. Whereupon it immediately ressurected and bounded over the hill! Useless caliber! Throw the rifle in the brush and go get a 270! Hey these exclamation marks are really starting to catch on with me now! OK, calming down to earth now, I've only taken a couple of deer with the 308 and not sure I remember with the 270, but not a great many. And, though it seems to me that the 270 is far-and-away the better hunting caliber, in my very limited experience, it means nothing. The 270, or your favorite whatever, flat slays them in their tracks; except when they ressurect like that and bound over the hill!...!! But even in that case, the deer was laying stone dead, just over the knoll, not 30 yards from where is was shot, as I had every confidence it would be. And tracking? What tracking? Even though the deer disappeared, I knew it would be right there. It probably took five seconds for it to die after being shot. It's ressurection, remarkable as it was, did not last. I'd still rather have a 270, but big deal, they both work.
 
The .264 Win Mag is not a good deer hunting round either! Why? Because I shot a deer with it that I never found.:rolleyes:
I shot 2 deer with a .25-06 that I never found. It is worthless as well.:rolleyes:

Seriously, all three of those lost deer were almost 30 years ago. The not finding the deer was due to bullet construction not yet catching up to hyper velocity. All three were very light, very fast bullets that hit dead on the shoulder bone. By the logic of many on here, I should chalk up the above two cartridges as worthless for deer hunting.
 
The .264 Win Mag is not a good deer hunting round either! Why? Because I shot a deer with it that I never found.
I shot 2 deer with a .25-06 that I never found. It is worthless as well.

Maybe you vaporized them? :D
 
The reason for all the !!!!'s is because it's easier to hit than the . For me. I couldn't drive a sports car everyday either but I sure get a rush when I do drive one! Should have never sold the ol Shelby mustang but can't haul 4 kids around in it! Yes I admit I have too many guns! I hate to neglect things but I sometimes think about when I pass my kids fighting over who gets what! I'm sure even then some will get neglected! And yes a 264 is prolly in my future because a quick fix never really fixes anything! I will end up doing it anyway! And the 270 oh yes the 270! Great ballistics and I see why so many people love it! I just don't! Ballistic silvertips weren't around back then either! I don't use the 300 weatherby much because I've had quite a few deer run a good ways after a good behind the shoulder shot with it! The partitions didn't expand or slow down to create energy transfer! The remington 190 soft point was very devastating and always dropped em but they don't make them anymore! Never could get great accuracy from any of the weatherby ammo
 
If projectiles are the problem reloading is the option. or finding someone that will stuff the right projectile in brass for you.

Remington does make a variety of Corelokt projectile tips that might be your answer. I pretty much only reload the Remingtons and Hornady Interloc.
 
Picked up a M70 Ultimate Shadow when the 264 Win Mag was reintroduced in 2013. It is an awesome rifle, 26" hammer forged barrel, recoil lug bedded at the factory and free floated in a pretty decent synthetic stock. I was a little skeptical about the thin barrel, but my first hand load printed 1/2 MOA. The LGS where I bought the rifle had banished the 264 to the clearance rack and was discounted to $599 when I bought it, I wish they would've had two of them.

Settled on a 120 Nosler BT loaded to 3400 fps, could go a little more but it shoots great right there :D

It's definitely a barrel burning laser beam, it does have some recoil, but nothing I would consider obnoxious. I'd imagine anybody who's been out in the field with one would have a hard time putting it down after they got a taste of its performance :)

A careful cleaning regimen, and most importantly not getting it too hot and the 264 will last a long time.

 
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I'm not familiar with the vld's! I've heard lots and lots of people brag on them! It seems to b the magic bullet! People used to say u had to find the right load for each rifle! Now it seems to just b how fast/slow to push the vld's! I guess I'm just gona have to start reloading! Where to put the equipment and when am I going to find time to do it? I can hear my wife now!
 
The faster you push the VLD hunting, the better.;)
They make a mess of meat, but they put down game very quickly. They are designed to penetrate 4 to 6 inches and then explode. They do that very well.:D
 
Yo, Boogers. You said it.

Take up reloading and you can make ammunition you can't buy in any store. When you have success you get the credit. When you're disappointed you chalk it up to the learning curve.

I reload and shoot 340WBY, 300WBY, 223, 6.5-284, 44mag, presently. I have in the past reloaded for 30-30, 308, 300WM, 7mag, 7.7JAP, 6.5x55, 9mm, 45acp. Several of these are almost reload only cartridges.

You commented earlier about the 190 gr load you liked disappearing. I found a load for 300WBY, Hornady 190 JSPBT, has a relatively high BC for a hunting bullet, almost .500, is much more economical than the 180gr Barnes TTX, I had been playing with. It seems to be as effective on Mule deer as the Barnes, but 3 deer is hardly a large enough group to draw assumptions from. I can with RL 25 get 3100fps w/o any signs of pressure and very decent accuracy.

The start up cost would easily be under the cost of any of the rifles or services you have mentioned. If you do start reloading you will be hooked. Always read the instructions that come with the dies very closely, the specific adjustments in the reloading manual aren't always intuitive.
 
Back in the golden days, the 90's I shot competitive archery! I was very much a stickler for paper tuning my bow and had a THING for the chronograph! Rules for 3-D tourneys were 280 fps and if u placed in the top five of a nat comp u had to speed test yur speed! You were allowed 288 because of variations n chrony's! So my average was 285 and would b ok! I tuned my bow/arrows to the point I could shoot 6 arrows with only 2fps dif! Silly I know but it's a sure sign that if I get into reloading I will b much the same way! I would most likely go with the most consistent powder as far as velocities and not neccisarily the most accurate! I'm sure there many other things I will have issues with, I just don't know yet as I've never done any reloading! Am I crazy or do others have issues such as this?
 
Boogershooter said:
Rules for 3-D tourneys were 280 fps and if u placed in the top five of a nat comp u had to speed test yur speed!

In big handgun run&gun comp, they'll chrono your loads to be sure they're above a certain Power Factor (bullet weight x velocity). Some guys run on the ragged edge; some squeak by while some pay for it with a DQ.

Boogershooter said:
I would most likely go with the most consistent powder as far as velocities and not neccisarily the most accurate!...Am I crazy or do others have issues such as this?

Seems some get really tied to the chrono, and go crazy trying to hit a given MV or reduce the SD, but in the end, the target tells the tale. A very low SD doesn't necessarily equal great accuracy.
 
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