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Now the 6.5STW seems really interesting to me.
I own and shoot 300WBY,340WBY,6.5/284. 223. 44mag, 38/357 presently.

6.5 284 in a varmint rifle is kind of appropriate as relief from the Wby's.
 

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I have 3 .264 Win. Mags. It will do everything you want it to do, but it is no plinking round. It is hard on barrels. Depending on whose barrel you put on, you will get between 600 to 900 shots on a barrel.
 
Yeah but those look like issued rifles unlike mine. Only giveaway on mine is the safety. It would be nice if there was ammo available so those 4 arisakas could have a home instead of waiting for someone who reloads.

 
Have you given thought to the .270 Winchester? I don't THINK that there's much it CANNOT do, that a .264 Win Mag or 7mm Rem Mag CAN do, except burn up lotsa powder. I didn't see it in the list of barrel life-spans (vs. .308 Win), but I suspect it'd last NO LESS than 2/3 as long as a .308 Win.

And it may be time to break into the world of reloading.

There's a DANDY european round, called the 6.5x68 Schuler that would probably be a near-perfect solution for your needs, but the rifles are expensive, and over here, it'd be strictly a reloading proposition.
 
270 Winchester. Does everything the 264 does, but with better barrel life, better availability of ammo and better price. Performance is virtually identical in barrels of equal length.
 
The reason the 270 is not in the mix is pure hardheadedness! I shot two deer many moons ago with a 270! Both good shots, one thru both shoulders and one right behind the shoulders! Both shots under 100 yards! Neither deer went down and one went well over 200 yards! I understand ballistics and know the 270 is very capable but that left a bad taste in my mouth! I sold the gun and never looked back! Not interested in one now! Yes I know bullets are better now but some things burn impressions in our minds at a young age and its impossible to get past! Yes I recovered both deer but u have to trust yur gun! I don't trust a 270! Pure hardheadedness!
 
Out of curiosity did you recover the bullets out of those two deer and what kind of destruction or lack went on.

I got a through and through on a deer last year with a 30-40 krag and it still ran 70 yards with a heart you could swear was jelly.
 
Booger, if you can't kill them with a 270, you aren't likely to do better with a different caliber. Sounds like you need practice more than a new gun.
 
The reason the 270 is not in the mix is pure hardheadedness! I shot two deer many moons ago with a 270! Both good shots, one thru both shoulders and one right behind the shoulders! Both shots under 100 yards! Neither deer went down and one went well over 200 yards! I understand ballistics and know the 270 is very capable but that left a bad taste in my mouth!
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Deer do odd things when hit sometimes ..... but if you were using a bullet designed to hold together at the velocities the .270WIN generates, and you shot it through the chest, it WILL die, in short order, and leave a blood trail Stevie Wonder could follow.......

If you want them to drop to the shot, then aim a bit higher- you'll jack up a good bit more of the good meat .... but be carefull: the margin of error for the high shoulder shot is smaller, and if you are off a bit, don't be surprised it your "DRT" deer gets up and runs away after the initial shock to his spine wears off ..... the spine was not actually damaged- he just took a massive charlie horse .... and there will be little blood to follow.
 
The key to making the .264 soundly trounce the .270 winchester is to chamber the .264 with a long throat and freebore. Pretty much across the board, I run 300 to 400 fps above published date in my .264 Win mag 28" barrel. My 26 inch barrelled rifles run about 75 fps slower than 28. Even with the 26 inch barrels I easily go over 4100 fps with 85 grain bullets. They hit deer like a ton of bricks.
 
Booger, if you can't kill them with a 270, you aren't likely to do better with a different caliber.
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603, unless I completely missed my guess, it sounds to me like he did kill both deer ...they just did not drop DRT..... one ran 200+ yards .....

I shot a doe one time that when hit, ran close to 300 yards before slowing to a walk, walked in a circle and lay down ...... upon field dressing, I found that the bullet had punched a neat hole in both shoulder blades right above the joint with the upper leg bones, and had trashed both lungs and the large vessels atop the heart ..... she was dead the moment she was hit, but it wasn't until her brain ran out of blood pressure and O2 that she was convinced of it ..... another, similar sized doe, just a year later, with the same rifle and load, at a similar range, hit the ground so fast I did not see her fall, and thought I had missed ......

I hit a nice buck at a range of about 15 yards, broadside and splattered a goodly portion of both his lungs on a tree behind him- the exit wound made by the 150gr SGK was big enough to put 3 fingers in- he went over a hill a good 150 yards and piled up ..... but he was easy enough to find ...... again, very dead, but running until he could not ....

I hit a button buck (led him a bit too far) as he was running by at a range of maybe 25 feet - he kept right on running until he hit a tree a couple of bounds later .... and fell down and kept right on running, legs furiously pumping the air as he lay on his side ..... I ran up and put my revolver to the base of his neck and hit the off switch .... and then noticed that my shot from the rifle had hit him in the head, blowing most of his brains out the side that now lay on the ground ...... again, very, very dead, just not aware of the fact.....

Then there's the other extreme - this year's buck (probably the biggest bodied deer I've ever taken) dropped to the shot, I doubt he knew what hit him- hit high behind the shoulder, the bullet passed through the very top of the lungs and just across the bottom of the front end of the loins/backstraps .... I've hit deer there before and had to track them quite some distance ...... but he said, "Nope, I'm done. Night-Night." BANG! (flop)

You just never can tell ...... all these were with a .270 WIN and a 150gr SGK ..... but I doubt that the caliber mattered all that much ..... though the first two does I mentioned were out past 400 yards, so hitting them with something ..... not as flat shooting as the .270WIN might have been a bit trickier .....
 
I easily go over 4100 fps with 85 grain bullets. They hit deer like a ton of bricks.
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How do your get all the bullet fragments out of your meat?

That tiny bullet has got to just about detonate ..... you shoot them on the shoulder and you might find copper and lead in your round steaks ....

...OTH, that'll make cube steak out of the near side quarter..... ;)
 
It's funny when some people reply to just one post! The deer down here in louisiana must not like to run as much as other places! I shoot almost all deer right behind the shoulder just like I would with a bow! 308, 30-06, and 300 wsm are the 3 rifles I use most! 150 gr ballistic silvertip in all 3! I manage a small oilfield company and usually have all the hunting time I want! I got my 6 deer limit this year and 5 of the 6 were drt! The one that ran didn't make it 25 yards! One of my hunting buddies uses a 270 with almost the same luck! I don't shoot deer past 250 yards because I know my skill level! The 270 is great but it ain't my cup of tea! Some people don't like ballistic tips and that's fine! If we all drove the same blue truck and all had 270's it would b a boring world!
 
I commented on the very light bullet at 4100 f/sec becuase of my own experiences with the .270- with 130gr cup and core bullets and a comparatively pedestrian 3100 f/sec muzzle velocity ..... on close shots, I sometimes got poor penetration and the bullet nearly always fragmented explosively ..... add another thousand f/sec to a bullet weighing just over half of what mine did .... I'm thinking that'd be be pretty explosive on contact.

If that works for you, great.....

I went to heavier, more efficient bullets at slightly slower speed ..... they still generally fragment on shots under 50 yards, but penetrate a bit first. They shoot nearly as flat, even though they start a couple hundred f/sec slower, b/cause they retain velocity better- though that isn't a concern for you with hunting under 250, if you are going to be plinking to 500, it'd be something to consider. Who knows? If you find that you can consistantly whack targets the size of a deer's chest cavity at that range ..... maybe at that point, your 250 yard limit could be stretched some .......
 
As far as light fast bullets go, many years ago - 1978, I think - there was a world traveler/hunter speaking at the NRA Convention. He shot everything that walks, crawls, or flies with a 257 Weatherby and 87 grain bullets only. Said that velocity killed. I guess he figured that getting that far without having been gored, stomped, or eaten was proof of his theory.
 
My apologies jimbob, I wasn't referring to you or Bart! I appreciate the info and real world facts y'all post! I'm all for others opinions but one person posted I may need more practice lol! In my brief existence on this earth I've learned that everyone needs practice! The best shooter in the world didn't get where he is without practice! I also realize that I may b practicing wrong or with bad habits! That's y I'm on this forum is to learn from those who have more knowledge and experience than myself! A new ( better suited ) rifle isn't going to fix everything but rather eliminate some variables! I prefer to learn as much as I can here before throwing thousands of dollars away on a gun that isn't suitable for what I want! I apologize if I have offended anyone but there are those to listen to and those to be entertained by! I can see by just a couple threads I've started who is knowledgable and he who just has to say something!
 
And I love the 257 weatherby also as I have stated before its the only sub 30 caliber I have trusted thus far! I'm trying to b more open to sub 30 cartridges and is one of the main reasons for me being here!
 
****Following load is outside safe operating pressures or recommended safe loading practices. Do not attempt********
Full case of 4831. Varies a bit depending on who mfg the brass.

It shows pressure signs.
 
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Boogershooter, I am not sure if you mean you dislike the .270 Win. only or you dislike all .27 cal bullets. If all .27's are not ruled the 270WSM and WBY handily outperform the .264Win.
 
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