Need a good Home Defense gun!
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Here's another small, portable, economical safe, if you decide to go that route, on sale a Midway.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=274442
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=274442
I will go with those who think quick access is better than quick loading, all things considered. The touch pad safe should be the answer. I also would go back to the revolver, since you don't have to worry about keeping the gun unloaded or otherwise not ready to fire while in the safe.
BTW, speaking of a safe, it requires a key, but MidwayUSA has a sale on StackOn security cabinets. Mine easily holds my 5 pistols and some other valuables with room to spare (for ammo maybe?) for $84 (15% off) and shipping. Now you need some discipline about the key, but it may be an idea to consider. It certainly should be a handy thing to keep all sorts of things away from little hands.
zombieslayer
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I have several guns but I consider the gun next to me or on me to be my home defense gun. That said, I carry a j-frame in 357 or a PPS in .40, so whichever one I've CARRIED ALL DAY ends up unholstered on the nightstand at the end of the day. Not having kids sure makes having loaded guns around much easier. Heck- I live alone, so "speed loading" aint much of an issue! Just one mans opinion- I just feel the best gun in the world is the one you have with you, loaded.
Kids, Video Games, and weapons.
Up to a few weeks ago I had never fired an AK pattern rifle. With NO INSTRUCTION I was able to pick up the weapon cant the mag into the well, load, acquire a sight picture, and hit a target. Most video games show a simple manual of arms for sidearms as well.
The ONLY safe way to keep children away from a weapon is to SECURE it in a biometric safe. PERIOD.
As for the model any quality handgun will work. Sig, Glock, whatever, they will all do the job.
Up to a few weeks ago I had never fired an AK pattern rifle. With NO INSTRUCTION I was able to pick up the weapon cant the mag into the well, load, acquire a sight picture, and hit a target. Most video games show a simple manual of arms for sidearms as well.
The ONLY safe way to keep children away from a weapon is to SECURE it in a biometric safe. PERIOD.
As for the model any quality handgun will work. Sig, Glock, whatever, they will all do the job.
Edward429451
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Yeah kids soak up info like a sponge and you can't hide it well enough or foil them with locks and boxes without handicapping the defensive nature of the guns.
There's only one thing you can do (gasp)
Teach your children about guns so they will be safe with them. You have to gunproof the child if you want safety.
For info on how to do this seek out a copy of Massad Ayoobs book "Gunproof your Children"
It may not be available any more...it wasn't a very politically correct book and was chock full of good advice. That was 20 yrs ago the book was out, he may not be in a position to give the same advice anymore because the political climate has worsened.
There's only one thing you can do (gasp)
Teach your children about guns so they will be safe with them. You have to gunproof the child if you want safety.
For info on how to do this seek out a copy of Massad Ayoobs book "Gunproof your Children"
It may not be available any more...it wasn't a very politically correct book and was chock full of good advice. That was 20 yrs ago the book was out, he may not be in a position to give the same advice anymore because the political climate has worsened.
At 12 and 7 they are old enough to be shooting and old enough to learn the rules. There isn't a kid in the world who is reasonably bright, healthy and coordinated that can't figure out how to load a magazine, break a combination or defeat a child proof pill bottle.
For daytime security when you are in the house take your pick:
http://www.usgalco.com/Women.asp
Lockbox or safe bolted to floor for when you aren't home and you for some reason don't want to take the gun with you.
If you like the 1911 get a softer recoil spring and buy Federal Premium Reduced Recoil Ammunition, 165 Grain Hydra-Shok Jacketed Hollow Points. It will ruin a boogermans day or stop a rampaging mad dog critter in your yard trying to eat you or your kids dead in it's tracks unless it's a Kodiak or a bison.
For daytime security when you are in the house take your pick:
http://www.usgalco.com/Women.asp
Lockbox or safe bolted to floor for when you aren't home and you for some reason don't want to take the gun with you.
If you like the 1911 get a softer recoil spring and buy Federal Premium Reduced Recoil Ammunition, 165 Grain Hydra-Shok Jacketed Hollow Points. It will ruin a boogermans day or stop a rampaging mad dog critter in your yard trying to eat you or your kids dead in it's tracks unless it's a Kodiak or a bison.
mothermopar
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Technique and practice. There are alot of small framed women in law enforcement and the military that can operate a variety of pistols and other weapons easily. So, keep the guns you have and train her up on them.
My wife doesn't even like shooting that much (read: at all)... she ain't a big mamason and can rack my Colt 1911 not problema... its in the technique... there's not alot of strength involved, really.
My wife doesn't even like shooting that much (read: at all)... she ain't a big mamason and can rack my Colt 1911 not problema... its in the technique... there's not alot of strength involved, really.
+1 on the GunVault and other safe storage devices. Of all of my guns, my wife's favorite is the 92FS. I put some Hogue grips on and she absolutely loves it. One of the easiest guns to shoot, accurate and comfortable.
My 7 year old daughter already has a Ruger MKII and a pink Cricket. She can operate both of them. She absolutely loves to be in my gun room with me and helps me reload. I let her touch, hold, handle any of the weapons she wants including the evil AR-15.
She does it under my supervision and we always make sure they are unloaded.
Does she understand what a .45 caliber bullet traveling at 900 fps will do to a person, no, but she understands that guns are both fun and dangerous. The key to what happens is her.
She has gone through Eddie Eagle classes and can recite the 4 principles of EE is she does come across a gun. She knows not to point a gun, even empty, at anything she does not want to kill or shoot.
Does all of that mean she won't pick up a gun out of curiosity and do something stupid? Absolutely not, but my wife and I have done our best to teach her the respect and appreciation of firearms and not to be afraid of them.
I respect any parent's decision to train their child with firearms as they see fit and realize there is no one size fits all answer. This has been our approach.
My 7 year old daughter already has a Ruger MKII and a pink Cricket. She can operate both of them. She absolutely loves to be in my gun room with me and helps me reload. I let her touch, hold, handle any of the weapons she wants including the evil AR-15.
She does it under my supervision and we always make sure they are unloaded. Does she understand what a .45 caliber bullet traveling at 900 fps will do to a person, no, but she understands that guns are both fun and dangerous. The key to what happens is her.
She has gone through Eddie Eagle classes and can recite the 4 principles of EE is she does come across a gun. She knows not to point a gun, even empty, at anything she does not want to kill or shoot.
Does all of that mean she won't pick up a gun out of curiosity and do something stupid? Absolutely not, but my wife and I have done our best to teach her the respect and appreciation of firearms and not to be afraid of them.
I respect any parent's decision to train their child with firearms as they see fit and realize there is no one size fits all answer. This has been our approach.
johnwilliamson062
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You use a pistol for HD...
I thought they threw out that mold, like girls who don't...
Off to bed.
I thought they threw out that mold, like girls who don't...
Off to bed.
Handgun selection, caliber, hand-strength, marksmanship...
When selecting a new handgun for home protection/defense I'd consider these factors;
I'd suggest a DA only revolver like the Ruger SP101 .357magnum or the S&W 640 type J frame. If she can aim & fire a DA revolver she should do fine. A semi auto pistol like a S&W 3913 Ladysmith or a used/surplus SIG P225 9mmNATO. The 3913 has safety features and a lifetime service policy from S&W.
A larger pistol like a .40 or .357sig would be a lot better but make sure she can hold & fire it w/o jams or misfires. If she can't do it then get a small frame DA/DA only revolver.
CF
When selecting a new handgun for home protection/defense I'd consider these factors;
I'd suggest a DA only revolver like the Ruger SP101 .357magnum or the S&W 640 type J frame. If she can aim & fire a DA revolver she should do fine. A semi auto pistol like a S&W 3913 Ladysmith or a used/surplus SIG P225 9mmNATO. The 3913 has safety features and a lifetime service policy from S&W.
A larger pistol like a .40 or .357sig would be a lot better but make sure she can hold & fire it w/o jams or misfires. If she can't do it then get a small frame DA/DA only revolver.
CF
Stevie-Ray
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Say, that's pretty cool. I have the old GunVault with the buttons only with key backup. Am I to understand that that one uses fingerprint tech along with push-button and key backup?
tackdriver
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The home defense weapon that is easiest to become proficient with and is effective is a semi-automatic carbine. Think: Ruger Mini-14, M1 Carbine, AR platforms, AK platforms.
These have way less recoil than even a 20-ga shotgun and so long as you have one that reliably functions, they're a lot easier to run than a pump shotgun.
Handgun in the dark in a moving gun fight with adrenaline coming out of your ears? No thanks. See the "Deadliest Warrior" episode with the Green Berets missing at point blank range running through a range at night.
That's not to mention that the lethality of a rifle round is many times that of any pistol round.
These have way less recoil than even a 20-ga shotgun and so long as you have one that reliably functions, they're a lot easier to run than a pump shotgun.
Handgun in the dark in a moving gun fight with adrenaline coming out of your ears? No thanks. See the "Deadliest Warrior" episode with the Green Berets missing at point blank range running through a range at night.
That's not to mention that the lethality of a rifle round is many times that of any pistol round.
I'm a bit surprised that someone has not touch on a high power hand gun's ability to put a slug thru the wall. If I had two children in my home, and I was defending it, my first concern would be just that.
Knowing that, are you going to hold a shot, because if you miss you will put one thru the wall into a child's bedroom? You get the scenerio. Apartment is even worse. Are you going to put one thru the wall into your neighbor's apartment?
Home defense can mean dark, cramped hallways. It would be a miracle if you did not put a slug into another room. A shotgun, even a twelve gauge, is not going to do that. It also has the ability to clear a room without going thru anything.
It even has sound effects. How would you react to the sound of a slide racking a shell into the chamber? You can add lighting, too. A high intensity strobe light can paralize some people. And, unlike a solid beam of light that can outline you and invite a BG to "shoot here" it gives you another line of safety and defense.
If you live alone in your own home, forgert evertything I just mentioned.
Knowing that, are you going to hold a shot, because if you miss you will put one thru the wall into a child's bedroom? You get the scenerio. Apartment is even worse. Are you going to put one thru the wall into your neighbor's apartment?
Home defense can mean dark, cramped hallways. It would be a miracle if you did not put a slug into another room. A shotgun, even a twelve gauge, is not going to do that. It also has the ability to clear a room without going thru anything.
It even has sound effects. How would you react to the sound of a slide racking a shell into the chamber? You can add lighting, too. A high intensity strobe light can paralize some people. And, unlike a solid beam of light that can outline you and invite a BG to "shoot here" it gives you another line of safety and defense.
If you live alone in your own home, forgert evertything I just mentioned.