National ID Card

...what really bothers me is that politicians just go making all these laws, as though they're the only ones living in America.

We have the technology: why not allow the law abiding, voting age citizens to make the decision? Sure, some people are smart like bricks, but then again, those people also vote for presidents, mayors, gov'nors, etc...
 
Well quite frankly im tired of government intrusion,Im fed up with regulate this and regulate that.Before we know it youll need to have a permit to take a leak.Honestly how many cards and liscenses do we need,its already easy enogh to steal someones indentity with the ones you have.I have a drivers liscense thats all i should need.Obviously im a citizen if i got one of those right.Sometimes i just get so pissed off knowing that when my kids grow up and have kids theyll probably be barcoded for protection from terrorists or to prove they're citizens,where will it end.
 
Sometimes i just get so pissed off knowing that when my kids grow up and have kids theyll probably be barcoded for protection from terrorists or to prove they're citizens,where will it end.

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ID's

Actually, I'm in favor of national ID's.

Replace individual state ID's. Make CCW national. Base upon least restrictive state laws.

I am a citizen of the United States of America. Let me travel, armed for self protection, anywhere I choose.

In other words, my NC driver's license is valid in every state, why not my CCW?

If I could combine my CCW and my drivers licence into one, nationally recognized, ID, then my free travel would be uninpeded.

Let the US make armed travel the norm. Unrestricted concealed carry for those that pass extended training.

As it is, airlines are weaponless tubes of victims.
There is no more helpless gathering of humanity than a plane full of people.
Despite all the lies of sudden decompression, when a bullet is fired through the hull of an airliner, the damage is minimal.

Allow CWP'ers on airliners. Let the jihadists fear an armed bubba.
 
Social Security Cards, Military ID's, Birth Certificates...all Federally issued ID's.

I think one ID that does it all would be great - But I've already paid for mine with tax $$$ if you get my drift. If its MANDATORY, its free.

STew
 
The most worrisome thing about the law is that it allows the government to change the rules on what data must be included on the card at whim, with no vote, hearing, or oversight.

Ready for a national database of concealed-carry licensees? One gets you twenty that such a rule change is put forth within the first three years.

And remember, states like Michigan and California record the serial numbers of your firearms.
 
Gotta smile it when Freedom Lovers like us come together and basically agree:
"We want .gov to usurp all State Rights"
"We want all Rights turned into Federally Granted Privileges, stamped on a card and revokable at whim."
"We want .gov to have fingertip access to the most detailed data in our personal lives; our comings, our goings, our current location, our phone calls, our purchases...it'll keep us safe."
"Where's the harm? .gov could get this info anyway. I saw it on 24."


Really makes you wonder what the conversations look like on those oft-berated "sheeple" boards.

:eek:
Rich
 
How is this for ID: the South African ID book. The book in its original format had the following data:

1) Your personal details
2) Record of voting
3) Driver's Licence
4) Firearms Licences (per weapon, with serial number)

If the police stopped you then they asked for ID as a matter of course. These days the driver's and the firearms licences are issued as separate cards (each gun on a separate card). All cards have scanned fingerprints of the licensee. The driver's licence card has a computer encrypted graphic code on it too. There are no address details recorded in any of the SA documents unlike the UK driver's licence.
I suppose for me it doesn't matter whether I have to carry ID or not. They can find me in SA or in the UK whether they use my ID or passport details or not. Everything that needs to be known about me is already present in various other documents logged in government computers in the UK and in SA and even in the US and NZ. I am not bothered at all by this. So they ask for ID. Okay, I show them. Now what? Well they say thank you and good day.

The real issue will be whether there is a benefit of carrying a new ID or not. What does it give you? For example in SA you can't vote unless you can prove you are a SA citizen and the ID book is that document. Same applies to certain transactions that rely on age verification, such as purchasing tobacco and alcohol and signing contracts as an adult.
Now I am assuming you guys in the US use SS cards for those functions, so what is the advertised benefit of the new IDs in a nutshell?
 
What should happen is that an ANSI standard be generated for a universal ID card. That way it would become accepted everywhere. But it should be voluntary. You use your card, which has encoded biometrics like iris scan and one fingerprint, to open accounts and to use them thereafter, protecting your accounts perfectly.

It should be a low-end felony for anyone to persistently query any institution about information originating from the universal ID card of another person, 5-year penalty, and a first degree felony to provide that information, with a 20-year penalty on the first offense.

Information that would ordinarily go to a credit bureau from each institution you choose to do business with would go onto your card directly. Encryption would prevent you from altering it.

You would choose a private company to back up your card information if you wanted to, in case of loss, so that if it's stolen you can get a new one with a new code. The backup company would have the same criminal liability as anyone else, with the exception that it could automatically update all institutions that appear on your card with a new code so that your old card is instantly invalid. The same companies could update encodings of your iris and fingerprint as you age.

If YOU want to vote no-hassle and registration-free, you go to the voter registration office and give them your card. Unless you move, you're registered forever.

Same for social security. If you plan to collect, you register. They become subject to the same penalties for sharing information.

There's no "sharing with owner's permission". If you want an institution to have your ID, you go to their local office and present your card.

If you are worried about somebody informally using your driver's license as ID outside the card system, you go to DMV and present your card, asking them to attach your DMV information to it.

In other words, if you want to protect yourself and are willing to carry a card that's universal, it should be possible (by way of standards) but not mandatory. You pick the level of anonymity you like (as in who gets your card).

If you want to be able to prove you are a citizen, then you present your card to the state department or whoever does that stuff. If you'd rather take the chance that your other ID won't be sufficient, then do that. If you're not a citizen, well, obviously, you would be in that last category.

To ask a person to identify himself should require reasonable suspicion of a crime, with specific articulable facts. If that happens, then you give whatever ID you have and take your chances if you've opted to not give it to the FBI.

Sorry, but "terra" or not, there should be NO "your papers please" without a good reason.

The standard should include the sequestering of types of information. In other words, Sears doesn't see your driving record, only your credit record when you want to open or use an account. The DMV only sees your driving record and vehicle registration information.

This can be done in a way that makes the cards nearly impossible to fake. Encryption and sequestering circuitry can be designed to be extremely complex, a one-time cost in the millions. There should be no problem with the government placing, on this card, the NSAs most unbreakable encryption technique. After all, one of the legitimate functions of government is protection of its citizens from crime.

Clearly, given today's political bent, this is not going to happen. But that's what I support.
 
Now I am assuming you guys in the US use SS cards for those functions, so what is the advertised benefit of the new IDs in a nutshell?

I'm not trying to make fun, because how would you know this? But there's gotta be some snickering going on.

Do you know what a SS card looks like?

Unless they've changed it in the last 10 years, it's a business card, basically, with your social security number typed in the middle.

I'm not kidding.

No picture. No nothing.

This strikes me as being useless for anything but losing it and having it used to impersonate you.
 
I have a national ID card its called a US passport.

Gets me in everywhere and even proves who I am today :)

WildswmbosisevenbetterAlaska
 
@ Invention 45

Yep, I don't know what an SS card looks like, I don't have one, I just assumed it would be a photocard of sorts like a driver's license. (If it is just a typed card isn't that open to fraud?) What document do you usually produce in support of the SS then?
 
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