My 91/30 mossin nagant project

UPDATE

well just got my boyds thumbhole and its to say the least, awesome O_O. the feel and structure of it allow quick mobility and easy sighting capability. the thumb hole fits perfect. my father who hates them has stated he likes this one very much. it free floats the rifle well and it needed NO modifications.

now if you read boyds stock it states its for a round receiver 91/30 most people buy and mod for a variation of the rifle.

either that or my mosin is still another weird trait in actually fitting.

i also did work to repair my barrel (which had treated rust damage but looked horrid) i used jb weld and sanded it down a day later till its flush. i then applied "high heat header paint" same as for my vw beetle. its a matt black and it was the same color as the paint already on rifle and can take high heat.

so if you have issues with your mosin i recommend this treatment so far.

oh i also found a 91/30 muzzel break at
http://www.milsurpstuff.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MP9130
no clue how it performs but was happy to finally find one
 
Loose Stock

Adding to the newest Mossin Nagant thread rather than starting a new one.

Anyone one fix a loose stock on one of these?

Googling a bit says Soviet Snipers used pieces of brass stripper clips to upgrade the rifles they had.

Possibly the one I have is missing strips?

Or another method of fixing a loose stock.
 
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im not saying your nuts or anything of the sort

the typical bullet of a rifle achieves maximum velocity in 22 (30 ODD 6 and similar rounds is what im referring to) that is typically the amount of length needed to burn the gas and propel the bullet, a longer barrel can be handy to keep accuracy higher, but typically the 22 is the minimum range you go to keep accuracy and velocity of a rifle , even a 24 is better in some cases to improve accuracy. now a sniper rifle usually has a long barrel to provide the maximum accuracy and range, but the gas loses its initial momentum and can lower the maximum velocity, but not hamper accuracy, this is a basic ballistic characteristic of a rifle bullet. its just a physics concept that has to do with barrel which is the length to travel from exit of muzzle, and the gas burn rate + amount of inertia placed upon bullet to achieve muzzle velocity. as gas burns it creates energy and applys a force ->, as it travels the gas burns itself out to a point were inertial energy transfer begins to drop. this 22 idea was thought up during the war originally i believe, when extensive test showed rifles of length 22 could still reach the max velocity(look at old war rifles lengths if youd like) so for close combat and weigth loss, the 22 length was easier to use and maneuver with while in combat, unlike a long barreled rifle such as my 91/30 which were typicaly used as sniper long range rifles.

basically its determined by what funtion youd like the rifle to achieve
close combat/ tacticle use that can retain long range capabilities

or

long range and highly accurate at the loss of mobility and inertia
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Some of the powder I use is slow burning enough that velocity is still increasing when the bullet exists the 29" barrel.

Referencing data from several cartridges fired in a long rifle (91/30 etc) compared to being fired in a shorter rifle (M44), the M44 loses a good 200fps or so to light ball.

Didn't look at heavy ball as that was phased out for infantry before most carbines were introduced in Russia.

Regards,

Josh
 
@Zoro
I've never had issue with a stock. My standard fits perfectly. Maybe post picks and I can help recommend a solution.

@Josh
Sounds about right for a lighter , the gas has less resistance than the higher grain.
And most noted from watching my friends m44s is the amount of excess gass and power still burning.
This reaction can look even more dramatic with a muzzle break.
It's really dependent on the bullets you're putting in it.


Project update:
Bought peper laminate thumbhole stock from. Boyd's
dropped in no mods needed. Read as it's for a round receive mosin 9130
I have a bipod on way. I will use a m1 Garand sling as I have a spare one. Will post pics and hopefully a video

Now i need ammo... i prefer the soft point silver bear if anyone wonders

I spoil my mosin. Iteresting enough i used the glow in dark paint on sights and it didnt work. I was sad, repainted my sights yellow. Bayonet works great. Boyds stock feels great and it perfectly aligns your eyes to irons
 
The best thing you can do to your Mosin 91/30 is to install a adjustable Huber Concept roller trigger assembly. It will definately tighten your groups up. It's a little price but will amost make your Nagant shoot as good as a Garand
 
Pricy and a permanent mod. My mosin project is a easy swappable mosin. There are many trigger mods such timmny trigger. Or place a washer under the screw for the trigger to reduce lbs. a bit
 
well hello those still reading my project
i will post a pick so far below, here is a summary so far to new comers:

my project is to create a mosin which performs well and will not need gunsmithing or any permanent mods done to it , and can swap between a historic mode and a scout/sport rifle mode

91/30 round reciever mosin nagant : 109$ big 5

swappable stocks (standard and boyds stock thumbhole)
stock: boyds pepper laminante thumb hole stock 113$ ->99$ plus ups shipping

bipod: NcStar Precision Grade Bipod Fullsize 3 Adapters (ABPGF) 27.99$ amazon

sling: black claw sling (i love the feel and how it takes the weight off me) 20.33$ amazon

scopemount:(still to come), but i have my eye on the brass stacker mount (steel/made in usa/lifetimewarranty) 59.00$ no shipping charge and amazon .com

ok went to the laguna sega range last sunday to test this bipod and stock out. i set my target at 100 yards, and i was shooting with 2 others who have 91/30's set to 50 yards.

i have no scope and only use irons so far with my mosin "black lightning" as joke named after a russian movie hero , watch it or dont .....

anyaway i had an issue with a group of morons next to us shooting OUR targets and not theres (mine 100 morons at 50)(i had a spotter) was weird id shoot once and have 5 bullet holes? so the range guys asked them to stop or leave(they left)

ok targets
all the same
2 normal mosins at 50 yards, mine at 100

they were doing the typical mosin shoot high and were hitting the 7 and 6 rings

my target (even with odd holes do to those idiots, which i plugged)
i was hitting x/10/9 (i actually hit the same holes 2 to 3 times, to say the least im impressed)(it basically hit were i pointed it) so go boyds stock and ncstar bipod

now quick note my mosin stock hits a 1.5-2" group at 100 normally and has a great bolt. now im shooting like a .5" at 100. i shoot 5 rounds into a target and have a spotter (as i typically shoot a m1a socom scoped, this is my normal routine for target shooting at long range)

NOTES
things i noticed on boyds, perfect iron sight level on check rest built in to it, good grip, and the vents on side cooled my barrel great i grabed it after doing 100 rounds and it was slightly warm(may also be due to repaint with high header paint...dunno)

RECOIL: ok i have the buttpad on my normal stock for my mosin due to having long arms the back of the stock is to short, the boyds is perfect for american shooters, but word of warning its light.

so i fired the first shot, and it felt like someone shot a bottle rocket at my shoulder, the recoil pad on the boyds OK for a recoil reducer but i didnt get a bruise shooting 100 rounds unlike normal stock with a 1 inch thick pad, so boyds disperses the KE better, but your shoulder will start feeling numb after 25 shots , were recoil pad on normal stock i felt nothing but had a big bruise later. ODD....

now if any of you have shot at laguna sega before you know about the bell or the tin plates they have set at 300 -500 yards (as a target for anyone to shoot)

i took the mosin and fired at the 300 plate, it hit right below it, (note: aim at the link to chain right above plate) anyway doing that after round 1 (using irons set for 100) i hit dead center and knocked the tin around, and proceeded to fire my last 3 rounds into it (literary my last rounds as i was out of ammo again Y_Y )

ammo :
brown bear: my mosin loves this soft point and its 10$ <- i reccomend this
silver bear: mosin is ok with it but its not as consistant as brown bear
winchester: my mosin HATES these, very inconstant and not good quality at all
talua: (this is what ive been shooting with this time)
it is a mixed bag, cheap, consistent , but my mosin dosnt like it going in , and it ejects weird sometimes, i think its the rim of the cartridge
surplus: best for a mosin but its corrosive, after shooting jam Windex down barrel to neutralize corrosive ammo,(still must clean gun but stops it burning)



SIGHTS: ok i am planning to get a night scope or a red dot cope because i want to shoot at night and in the dark , my father says he has a spare so i may use that (hope mosin dosnt break it, its for a rifle...)

ok a way to improve your irons, paint tip of front sight with a bright colored model paint(i used yellow) and will help you aim now so you dont have black sights on a black target (i hate this personally )

well thats it so far so hope this project thread has been helpful, i will order the brass stacker soon

pics bellow: current mosin with bipod at max length / origional stock / and the boyds stock

i threw in the old pic just so you can see the difference between the stocks, but mounting is the same
 

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sks modded scoped vs irons mosin boyds stock

ok shot my dads customized yugo sks with his scope mounted on it(we had to zero it in first)

and my mosin black lightning with irons
AMMO: talua rounds for both rifles
range: laguna sega
first had dad fire the two rifles at 100yrds 3 rounds each, with me spotting

his shots were at low 8 and 7 with some black later on 9 (after he tightened his scope)

now mosins turn 9,9,9 all next to each other

he says the trigger on my mosin is better than the sks, not so spongy ?

my turn dad spotting me

sks yugo : (9,10,9) , hes right the trigger sucks on this sks
mosin : (10, 9,X) ya i was kinda impressed with the mosin on this, my first X at 100 with it, my mosin tends to shoot low right so im in 10's or 9's usually

as a finally we shot the plates at 300 for kicks and spent the ammo we had

cleaning: mosin set up bipod, ram it with rags till shes clean (about 10-5 min)
sks (clean gas system/barrel, trigger/spring and alot of ect)
1/2 hour

mosin is way easy to clean save for the bolt which is a jigsaw to those new to them, im good with mine due to practice but still that occasional .... were does this go?

next time i shoot hooking the bayonet on the mosin just to freak out people LOL
 
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here is my target at 100 with my mosin on irons , now i had issues due to an idiot cross firing an ak at my target , when his was at 50 yards with a 10X scope.
(the range asked them to leave, as they were shooting more than 1 round per sec, and were cross firing multiple targets on the range)

so the white is them not my mosin.

ok using talua 7.62x54r non corrosive rounds(i hate these as they jam a lot, not well made but good consistency), boyds stock, ncstar bipod, claw sling.


so as you can see with my first shots on the bottom left of the black i put five in a nice tight group, though later i got 3 x's at the end of my shoot.

if your wondering why im shooting left, its me not the mosin, i was compensating for my mosin(shoots low right) so i was aiming high left (a little to left in beginning)

so anyway proof a mosin can be very accurate without a scoping it.
 

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if anyone has a mosin feel free to post some pics id love to see them, i dont judge what youve done to it, or will and if you have questions just ask , ill be happy to help
 
After I had bought my first sks I fell in love with russian guns and milsurp in general. I also wanted to accurize what I had. Who doesn't?

I talked to the guy at my LGS, former LEO and apretty knowledgable guy. The main point of our discussion was basically that these weapons are designed to hit center mass (about 18" X 24") at 300 m (battle sight setting on SKS) at a minimum.

Even if you were to half that, say 9" X 12" at 150 m that's way less than a MOA. By the time you have that much $$$ in it accurizing you could have bought a rifle that will do better than that out of the box.

I'm not trying to start an arguement or say you're wrong. I've definitely spent lots of money and time on things other people have said I was silly for doing that. I'm just saying I think you'd have a better starting platform to either have saved your money or to stop where you're at now. Then you have a great Mosin, and are able to save a little cash towards that better starting platform.

Regardless of what you do, as long as you're happy and having fun that's all that's important. Best of luck in with your project.
 
I understand your point, as a better platform would be better from an accuracy standpoint. But on many rifles I don't find as much customization as I do with the mosin, also I'm in Ca and limited by what rifles I can get. The purpose of this project was to show I can make my mosin accurate and cheaper still than the higher platforms available, and keep it reverseable to it's origional state

Now this project is just to assist those who want to follow this strategy ive devised for their own mosin, or just get 1 or two of the suggested items and thats it.

Basically im just shareing my experiance and reccomendations so people have something to go on
 
finished mosin project

well this was a test fitting as i have not set the brass stacker mount, its just for show, i will be using a blow torch to heat the solder holding pins in place and try to put the new ones in which will allow me to mount the scope mount. i will keep the old pins so i can swap but i actually like the new ones as they can be tightened or loosened.( i tried to hammer the pins out but to no avail)

so far i have a red dot scope i borrowed from my dad on the rail to show what it would look like with a scope mounted on the rail. rail is pitcany, and has good length(not to long and not to short, even allows you to have a scope close to your eye if you want, im going to place a scout scope on it, i really want illuminated ones as i want the mosin to be a night shooting rifle but thats a quirk
with this setup i will total the mosin mods

brass stacker mount 59$(tax and shipping free)
boyds stock 103$(tax, ect)
ncstar precision bipod 27.99$
black powder claw sling 20$
total 209.99 + 98 (mosin itself)
toal= 307.99
for a full modded sporter that does 1 inch groups or better, without permanent mods i havent found a better deal, for a rifle this is a great setup for a mosin nagant 91/31

and even just doing the scope mount and a 20$ ncstar pistol scope you will tighten the group more than anything. now my mosin still can shoot with irons via the brass stacker mount(this is why i wanted it), this mosin on irons does better than most and was a great find as a first mosin, and is why i wanted a non permanent mods so that i can switch to its historic form.

with these equipment and the steps i have laid out anyone can try to sport their mosin at a low cost.

and just getting the boyds stock tightens the group and its a drop in stock, unless you have a m44 this stock isnt an issue.

below are test fitting pics.

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This one was a bad bubba when I got it. It shoots well for me but I still need a bipod.
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nice, monte carlo stock, with a pistol grip and you mounted a rear sight scope. did you have a gunsmith do it or yourself?

now the bipod wont add much to your accuracy and with the pistol grip i would suggest a longer legged bipod than the one i have one mine, so you get good clearance on the grip. mine is mainly because i needed stability when shooting 300 and 400 yards on irons, my breathing kept making my groups not as tight. but i do recommend ncstar bipods as mine was tested and has taken 100 rounds with minimal loosening, and its a quick flick of the fingers to tighten back up.

now if you only have the one stud at front you could get a rail adapter and add a pin + bipod that way
 
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It came poorly fitted in the ati stock. Bedded the a tion and floated the barrel, shortened barrel to 24". Made the bolt handle. Raised the cheek rest a half inch and molded it in. The AR pistol grip is easier with my arthritis. Scope mount is for a Remington 1100 and modified.

Thanks for the advice on the bipod. I was looking at the NCstar, I can make almost anything work how I want it. It started out pretty rough, I think it turned out pretty good.

I like your stock, I thought about that one.
 
well boyds does make a monte carlo stock for the 91/30s, the feather weight (which is mine) is design to be light, as i carry this thing on my back for long periods of time it was a must have , but a more heavy stock would be beneficial for recoil reduction and rise.



im currently on a hunt for a scope thats the following.

long eye relief
illuminated or does well in low light/night
shock proof
water proof
fog proof
low cost
 
I've heard that NCstar makes a scope like you describe. Might be worth a gamble. I picked mine up at a gun show for $30 NIB so I put it on. My eyesight isn't what it used to be so I can go about 150 yds with it (sucks getting old).
 
Archangel has come out with a new stock for mosins. It also adds a magazine set up to the gun. Comes with a 5 rounder but 10 rounders are available. They came out at Shot Show in Vegas. Retail is around $200 but it looks to be a awesome piece.
 
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