MUGGING and CC

A mugging at gunpoint constitutes a threat on your life. A mugging at gunpoint is justification for stopping the threat using potentially deadly force. Don't blame the victim.
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I agree completely but I don't see any blame directed at the victim. If I have a reasonable chance at disabling my assailant or mugger, I'll take it. Guns or fists or feet, whatever. That doesn't change the point I was trying to make which is two fold:

1)Many people on this forum have stated that a gun fight starts when someone threatens them with a gun. That simply is not true.

2) The best gunfight is one that doesn't happen. If I have a means of escape from a situation that I think has a higher probability of safety, I take it. Shooting is the LAST option not the first.


But this has gotten off track.... My initial point was the appropriate reaction to the mugging in the OP. Muggings in general are too varied to provide an easy answer. In the OP, with 4 guys pointing guns at you, it is SUICIDE to attempt to draw on them. It could also be a very bad situation if they searched you and found your gun. Hence, my original point. Those exact people, in that exact situation, were better off unarmed.
 
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Why do people choose to put themselves in danger? If you live in a large city, that's exactly what youre doing. You CHOOSE to be mugged. You are also exposing your children to much more corruption than they would experience in a smaller town.

Of course, there are situations where it is impossible to move.. but 9 times out of 10, it's just a choice.
 
Eskimo, I also live very rural and moved here to escape an ever tightening noose of city growth and crime...
But to say a person chooses to be mugged is a stretch like saying I am committing suicide because the ambulance is 30 minutes away... Or that I choose to wreck trucks by living where deer stand in the road. I don't choose to wreck my truck I try to mitigate the risk by paying attention...
Brent
 
Gotta agree with the folks calling for better situational awareness. You're not being paranoid your just prepared. Nobody should be able to get the drop on you like that especially if your in an area of town known with a bad reputation. I personally have a deep burning hatred for thieves, the idea that someone thinks they're entitled to my belongings just because they can take them enfuriates me. There's no way I could sit back and let that kind of crap happen.
 
Why do people choose to put themselves in danger? If you live in a large city, that's exactly what youre doing.
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I would agree with the general sentiment of that, I have said before that if I lived in an area where I actually thought I would need to be armed, I'd move. I'd still be armed, but I wouldn't live where I expected to need it.


Or that I choose to wreck trucks by living where deer stand in the road.
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That's a good point, but if hitting deer had a high probability of killing me, I'd move away from them too!
 
Peetza, You got yer choice... Thugs or Deer no real middle ground there...:D Also... if all the potential victims left the city, the thugs would be my neighbor and I would be their potential victim and that is gonna end bad for us both! Momma is gonna be a real FEMALE DOG if she has to scrub that blood off the floor!
Brent
 
peetzakilla said:
My initial point was the appropriate reaction to the mugging in the OP. Muggings in general are too varied to provide an easy answer. In the OP, with 4 guys pointing guns at you, it is SUICIDE to attempt to draw on them.
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Funny you should use the OP as a reference and then mention 4 BGs with guns pointed at the victim because that wasnt mentioned anywhere. Oh and here is a perfect example of a way to kill someone threatening your life even if they have a gun pointed at your head so dnt tell me it cant be done.

http://www.wlky.com/video/16509601/index.html
 
I looked back, and I didn't see where the OP mentioned 4 BGs. Here's where the number four came from:
George PT-111 said:
I have talked to at least 4 people who were recently mugged near their appartments by one or multiple individuals.
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(I took the liberty of making the number 4 bold)

He is talking about four people he talked to, not four assailants. He makes mention of "multiple individuals", when referring to the muggers, but never mentions a specific number. I have looked at all of his posts, and could not find him referencing 4 BGs. I tried to be thorough, but if I've missed a post, let me know.

EDIT: Alright, found the post, he says "one of his friends" was mugged by four BGs, but not every mugging.
 
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Well, I guess the question is, what is important to us.

Wife
Kids
Life

It seems to me here the underlying issue on this thread is pride. Pride has caused bad things to happen to us all.

I'm willing to have no pride if someone gets the jump on me with a gun. I'll risk handing over paper, plastic, diamonds, etc. versus going to meet certain death over whether or not I can "out skill" this thug. If it seems like the situation is not manageable to draw, I have no problem in turning over my fate to my Maker. He knows the outcome.
 
Steve Tate said:
Well, I guess the question is, what is important to us.

Wife
Kids
Life

It seems to me here the underlying issue on this thread is pride. Pride has caused bad things to happen to us all.

I'm willing to have no pride if someone gets the jump on me with a gun. I'll risk handing over paper, plastic, diamonds, etc. versus going to meet certain death over whether or not I can "out skill" this thug. If it seems like the situation is not manageable to draw, I have no problem in turning over my fate to my Maker. He knows the outcome.
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Quite possibly the finest first post I've seen.:)
 
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