MUGGING and CC

The whole idea of a 'non-violent' mugging baffles me. I'm not saying they don't exist. They do! There was a case of an MSNBC reporter who was recently mugged outside her hotel. The guy blocked her path and told her to give him $20. She gave him the $6 she had, and then said she felt bad because he "obviously needed $20 or he wouldn't have mugged her." (MORON)

I think we've been very conditioned to do what the BG tells us. We're constantly told to hand over the money so we don't get hurt. So even if they have nothing to threaten you with, most people comply anyway. Kind of amazing to me. Kind of like how people used to be conditioned to cooperate with hijackers because you'd just be taken somewhere and let go.

Is this the right approach in these situations? I guess if you're outsized and unarmed, perhaps it is. But I can't help but feel like we've collectively checked our nuts at the door, and left ourselves with more opportunities to become victims.
 
Not everything has to be taken as a personal attack against you or your position.
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Relax,...
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I don't get it. Am I being rude or belligerent? I'm simply stating my opinion, same as you guys. I don't think your being personal or need to relax because you're telling me you disagree. What gives?
 
It was the comment about "playing hero or vigilante" that set a certain tone for me.
Then again, this is "teh interwebz" so it's easy to misinterpret tone sometimes.
 
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When you start telling those who disagree with you that they are "playing hero or vigilante"
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I listed those as optional reasons for a responding violently. I did not equate them with the direct quotes as used by others to describe their own actions:

1) Play hero, vigilante, "handle a direct threat", "pit your skill", any number of other descriptions.... and die.
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Four different reasons for acting plus an all inclusive 5th. Two of them provided by others. If you see the two provided by others as included in or described by "Play hero, vigilante...", it might tell you something about how you feel about those actions but it's not a connection I made directly.


Still, no one has answered the question:

Do you really believe that drawing on 4 guys that already have you covered is the wise thing to do? What makes you think you would survive that action? Do you plan on dying to prove that you're fed up with muggers getting away with their crimes? What is the logic in that action?
 
peetzakilla,
Some folks would just rather go down fighting and knowing that they at least gave it a try. I'm not saying that's the smartest thing but I certainly understand especially since I had more than one instance back in the LE days where the "always fight, never give up" mentality carried me through far better than "capitulate" would have.
 
A non-violent mugging is the same as an aggressive panhandler!
If it is a mugging/robbery than it is with violent overtones. If the mugger is unarmed then a robust "Take a hike Mike" is all I would start with. If he puts up his dukes he will be met with equal or greater force. with a knife I will attempt to draw a gun or my own knife while they think I am going for my valuables... If armed with a gun I suspect I would do the same tactics.
Besides that I am a great target for violence as I do not carry enuff cash etc. to satisfy their needs.
But to be approached by a knife or gun wielding BG is a drop in situational awareness...
Brent
 
peetzakilla,
Some folks would just rather go down fighting and knowing that they at least gave it a try. I'm not saying that's the smartest thing but I certainly understand especially since I had more than one instance back in the LE days where the "always fight, never give up" mentality carried me through far better than "capitulate" would have.
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I completely agree with that sentiment.

Don't you also agree that 4 guns pointed at your head is not likely to be one of those times that "always fight" is going to end well?

Doing nothing was OBVIOUSLY the right thing. The BGs took their stuff and left. If they'd been shot in the head for no reason then fighting back would have been right, since there was no survivable alternative. You have to read the situation and act accordingly. Like I said before, these EXACT people, in this EXACT situation were better off unarmed. If their guns had been found it could have been ugly. If they had attempted to draw, it WOULD have been ugly. Being unarmed and compliant was best for them. Being compliant is USUALLY best if someone has a gun to your head, unless there are signals telling you it's going to end badly regardless of your response, then you may have few if any other options besides fighting.
 
Don't you also agree that 4 guns pointed at your head is not likely to be one of those times that "always fight" is going to end well?
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I agree that the odds in such a situation would be pretty grim.

Being compliant is USUALLY best if someone has a gun to your head, unless there are signals telling you it's going to end badly regardless of your response
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Well for me if someone has a gun, literally, to my head then I figure it's a good time to assume things are going to end badly and I might as well "go for it" but I do understand your point that "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" and since the guy went home in the end it was obviously the correct course of action for the situation.
 
ok here is my take on it, not that anyone cares.

If you are at the gun point and they tell you that they will kill you (not that they will kill you if you don't give them something) I mean they just want to kill you and they don't want anything from you, YES it's time to act even if chances are slick.

BUT if they tell you give me the wallet and you are still at gun point In my opinion if they wanted you dead you would have been dead and they would take your $, so maybe if you give them $ or whatever they want, they most likely not to kill you.

This is my personal opinion, and every situation is different. It just feels right to give them $, I mean lets face it they could have killed you from a distance the reason the didn't (in some cases) is 'cause they just want the $
 
I can easily pass you by looking at the stars, then pull my gun out and come behind you and place my gun right to your head, and YOU will not get a chance to draw!!!
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Don't bet your life on it.
 
Well, I don't know Keltyke but I would prefer not to bet my life on my ability to sneak up on ANYONE.
Which is partly why I make my money the honest way.:);)
 
Ok Peete, it's not a rocket science ok. BG most likely will have the weapon handy, and ready so if he is sneaking up from behind YOU DON"T HAVE A CHANCE. Not only that, the often BG does these things the better he gets, he learns a trick or two on sneaking up on people.

If it can happened it will happened.
 
I humbly suggest:

1. Decide what outcome you want - survive, save your money at risk of your life, make a statement about your self-image and how you save society.
2. Take action for that outcome. Don't complain if goes awry.
3. Before you posture on your ability to be observant, handle this or that kind of fight - please consider some serious FOF training that explores how you do act under stress and how you can be taken unaware.

If you have proven such ability, then you said document it here - rather than saying you could do XY or Z.

Having done the NTI and several FOF classes designed to put the civilian in some of the situations stated, I am not sanguine about some of the posturing of spider sense or ability.
 
lol, unless you are a Bruce LEE or Chuck Norris, I don't believe you
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Your belief or disbelief does not change the fact.

And on that note, I am outta here and George, you're ignored.
 
its actualy a good question. in all the many robberies i have taken no one has been shot just giving up their property. BUT it has happened several times in this fine city i work. most recently that i can think of a guy went into a gas station and pointed a gun at the clerk. the clerk gave the bad guy the money with no problems. the bad guy then shot him for no reason. so it is a good question. with just one bad guy do you try to distract his attention by throwing your wallet six feet to his side and go for your gun when he is looking at the wallet? more than one guy with more than one gun do you go for your gun and hope for really really good trauma doctors in the ER? that would be a decission one would have to make for ones self when in that situation. cause everyone is john wayne when talking but most are just the opposite when actualy in the situation.
 
Fact and opinion differ. Evidence would be interesting. I'm not trying to be rude but I know a fair bit about attention and postulating that one cannot be taken unawares doesn't jive with what we know about it.
 
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