xrageofangelsx
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It just seems to me that a gun cannot be overrated if it's the most dependable. The price of a gun is worth much less than the price ofa life.
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xrageofangelsx
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Juliet Charley - "You might want to check the numbers (or try a good remedial math class). While Glock is the clear leader in the poll by a long shot (and rightfully so), there are at least three other handguns beside the Glock that have more entries than the SIG."
I'm sorry, it seems that the following reviews of SIG on the first page alone seem to speak for what I was saying as a line of guns being very reliable. If I need remedial math, you need reading comprehension. 9 recommendations on the first page alone.
Read before you attempt to flame.
I'm sorry, it seems that the following reviews of SIG on the first page alone seem to speak for what I was saying as a line of guns being very reliable. If I need remedial math, you need reading comprehension. 9 recommendations on the first page alone.
Read before you attempt to flame.
Like many others, I voted for Glock. As I have repeatedly posted here, on THR and S’ville, and elsewhere, in my hands Glock accuracy is not up to the standards established by ALL my other handguns (Sigs, an H&K, S&Ws, Rugers, a Colt, CZs, a Kimber, and Springfields). I strongly believe Glocks are quite reliable and durable -- and their design is simple and robust -- but (for me) they do not provide “target level accuracy”, only “defensive accuracy”. That is a major inadequacy (IMHO) and it is directly related to their striker/trigger design (essentially, the mushiness of the trigger pull).
Jbar4Ranch
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I've shot most of 'em, and I still say that Glock makes the finest, out-of-the-box combat auto ever produced. (Meaning "field combat weapon", not nice, clean, sanitary range combat shooting games.) Put most any other "combat auto" into genuine, extended, field battle conditions with mud, blood, dirt, & water, and it'll puke before the Glock does.
I agree with Jabar4ranch 100%,,,Now did any of you guys read about the testing they put those glocks through, there is no other handgun that can pass the testing they put those glocks through, Like dropping the glock three stories on cement and pick it up and shoot it, put one under water in a pail for a month, then take it out and shoot it,shot fine, run them over with vehicles, berry them under sand, pull them out and shoot flawlessly, The glock is a combat hand gun, very durable, not fancy bye no means, rather ugly,but very relieable. I hated them at first, then shot a few, they shot well with those big Metal toy sights
Now I have been carrying a Glock 27 in the small of my back for years, nice light carry, and you can count on it to work when you need it, thats the bottom line, the secret is cut out all that metal that wears easy and get sloppy and replace it with a polly-meir frame of sort, no wear, and stronger than metal. Tight tolerances makes good shooting. Aim small hit small. RAMbo.
Now I have been carrying a Glock 27 in the small of my back for years, nice light carry, and you can count on it to work when you need it, thats the bottom line, the secret is cut out all that metal that wears easy and get sloppy and replace it with a polly-meir frame of sort, no wear, and stronger than metal. Tight tolerances makes good shooting. Aim small hit small. RAMbo.I'm a Glock fan and have relied on a Glock .40 for personal defense by choice. But there are real life operators who not only rely on Glocks but 1911's, SIG's, H&K's, BHP's and yes even Berettas and are happy with them. If Glocks were hands down the "best" they would ALL be demanding Glocks. These people more than anyone else have to rely on their handguns to work in the worst environment imaginable. Guns are just tools for them and they'd be stupid to let personal pride get in the way of choosing the right tool for the job.
What does it prove? NO handgun is "Perfection"
What does it prove? NO handgun is "Perfection"
I've always liked the 1911's, hence that was my second purchase two new out of the box. One Kimber Custom II and the other S&W SW1911, my first purchase was a used Dan Wesson .357 Supermag revolver, and after the 1911's a ruger SP101, Finally I decided on purchasing a Polymer frame for a CCW. Rented Almost every Block, sorry Glock, I didn't like any of them, despite all tha ranting and raving i Still don't like them, Then I tried the H&K .45 usp compact, it was nice but wasn't worth the money. So I tried a Smith and Wesson SW99, this gun is, IMHO an under rated handgun, sure the trigger pull in DA is llllooonnnggg and it's and a bit mushy in single action but once you get use to it the guns great it's accurate, reliable, and feels great in my hand. So Glock over rated, Smith Under rated and HK too expensive. 
Rmouleart,
Without getting into the ad hype in the rest of your post, you should probably note that all the wear surfaces on your Glock are made out of nasty, old-fashioned metal and not space age "polly-meir".
I've liked all the nine Glocks I've owned, but they're just pistols like any other; good in some ways and poor in others. Don't own any of 'em anymore.
Without getting into the ad hype in the rest of your post, you should probably note that all the wear surfaces on your Glock are made out of nasty, old-fashioned metal and not space age "polly-meir".
I've liked all the nine Glocks I've owned, but they're just pistols like any other; good in some ways and poor in others. Don't own any of 'em anymore.
warhammer357
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My vote for most overated handgun is SIG.
Carbon barrels that rust in stainless slide models
Stamped and Welded slides that can literally fall apart with wear and tear in older carbon models.
frames that crack often at less than 10,000 rounds (seen FOUR!!!!)
Grip panels that come loose and stay loose
Cost much more than say a Taurus that has none of those failures......
Whats not to love?
LOL.....
I often carry a Glock 19, but I gotta admit, Glocks are probably the second most overated guns on the list. The grip design must have been for the man in the moon. None of them fit my hand well.... Who in HELL needs that big empty space back there? Its a great dustcatcher.
Third would be HK USP. I have one in .4o thats as cool and high tech as hell. Only one thing wrong with it. You cant hit a barn from the inside its so innacurate. (Ofcourse, thats a common problem with .40s in general. A friend hs much better accuracy out of his USP .45
Carbon barrels that rust in stainless slide models
Stamped and Welded slides that can literally fall apart with wear and tear in older carbon models.
frames that crack often at less than 10,000 rounds (seen FOUR!!!!)
Grip panels that come loose and stay loose
Cost much more than say a Taurus that has none of those failures......
Whats not to love?
LOL.....
I often carry a Glock 19, but I gotta admit, Glocks are probably the second most overated guns on the list. The grip design must have been for the man in the moon. None of them fit my hand well.... Who in HELL needs that big empty space back there? Its a great dustcatcher.
Third would be HK USP. I have one in .4o thats as cool and high tech as hell. Only one thing wrong with it. You cant hit a barn from the inside its so innacurate. (Ofcourse, thats a common problem with .40s in general. A friend hs much better accuracy out of his USP .45
warhammer357
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Maybe we should start a list of most underrated guns.....
I would vote for a Taurus 92, as a friend of mine has had one for over a decade and shot the hell out of it, and it shoots like a target piece still.
Some of the Ruger autos have impressed me as being a lot of gun for the money too.
I never saw a CZ 75 that I didnt love either, LOL....
I would vote for a Taurus 92, as a friend of mine has had one for over a decade and shot the hell out of it, and it shoots like a target piece still.
Some of the Ruger autos have impressed me as being a lot of gun for the money too.
I never saw a CZ 75 that I didnt love either, LOL....
warhammer357
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Personally, I find it hard to figure out a situation where I would be able to drop my gun three stories then have time to go downstairs, pick it up and shoot to save my @$$. Seems like the bad guys would have too much time to plug me in that scenario.
Nor have I had occassion to leave my gun in a bucket of water for a week before having to draw and fire.
Of course, some might argue that its a valid way to conceal the gun in a day and age where fanny pack equals holster. Who would imagine a guy walking down the street with a bucket of water is really carrying a gun?
Most of those tests are impressive, but they have jack squat to do with real world defensive combat scenarios.
I would hazard a guess that being run over by a tank and getting buried under the sand would keep me from being able to fire my undamaged glock either......
>>>Now did any of you guys read about the testing they put those glocks through, there is no other handgun that can pass the testing they put those glocks through, Like dropping the glock three stories on cement and pick it up and shoot it, put one under water in a pail for a month, then take it out and shoot it,shot fine, run them over with vehicles, berry them under sand, pull them out and shoot flawlessly, The glock is a combat hand gun, very durable, not fancy bye no means, rather ugly,but very relieable. <<<
Nor have I had occassion to leave my gun in a bucket of water for a week before having to draw and fire.
Of course, some might argue that its a valid way to conceal the gun in a day and age where fanny pack equals holster. Who would imagine a guy walking down the street with a bucket of water is really carrying a gun?
Most of those tests are impressive, but they have jack squat to do with real world defensive combat scenarios.
I would hazard a guess that being run over by a tank and getting buried under the sand would keep me from being able to fire my undamaged glock either......
>>>Now did any of you guys read about the testing they put those glocks through, there is no other handgun that can pass the testing they put those glocks through, Like dropping the glock three stories on cement and pick it up and shoot it, put one under water in a pail for a month, then take it out and shoot it,shot fine, run them over with vehicles, berry them under sand, pull them out and shoot flawlessly, The glock is a combat hand gun, very durable, not fancy bye no means, rather ugly,but very relieable. <<<
Tommy Vercetti
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out of the 150 rounds I've put through my 1911A1 and having two stoppages..I submit my Colt 1911A1 as the most overrated..I'll take a Glock over it anyday..I have a Glock 26 that has never jammed having sent 4000 rounds downrange
juliet charley
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xrageofangelsx -
You should surely be able to comprehend that the responses do not necessarily reflect the data in the poll--to draw conclusions based on the responses while ignoring the actual voting shows a lack of comprehension on your part. Your assumption that Glock and SIG are somehow neck and neck in this clearly incorrect--and smacks of justifying a preconceived notion and disregarding the data. You apparently do not comprehend the difference between Glock's 38.15% and SIG's 8.62% (or even simpler Glock's 124 votes and SIG's 28 votes), I stand by recommendation you might want to check the number (or investigate a good remedial math class ).
BTW, I did not intend to "flame" you--you had clearly misinterpretted or misrepresented the data. My primary suggestion was check the numbers, but evidently all you saw was the smart-aleck part--mea culpa, mea culpa maxima. I sorry your feelings were hurt.
I would say your assumption of "overrated" and "reliable" as opposing issues was really a greater error than your faulty analysis of the available data. If you look closely at the list, there is not a single unreliable weapon listed (except "Other"). There is not a significant reliability difference between any of them. Glock is no more reliable than any of them, and I doubt seriously if of them is more reliable than Glock--it should be obvious the difference is not based reliability issues.
You weren't by any chance counting votes in Florida in November 2000 were you? Seems like somebody there declared a draw as well.
If you would look at that neat little graph at the top of each page, you would see the fallacy of your line of thought (and your post). You might also check the post count. You would see that somewhat 300 people have voted in the poll (and that Glock is the clear winner--almost double the votes of next nearest handgun and almost five times more than the SIG), while their are only 114 posts counting this one--and of course, several people have multiple posts where you can only have one vote.
You should surely be able to comprehend that the responses do not necessarily reflect the data in the poll--to draw conclusions based on the responses while ignoring the actual voting shows a lack of comprehension on your part. Your assumption that Glock and SIG are somehow neck and neck in this clearly incorrect--and smacks of justifying a preconceived notion and disregarding the data. You apparently do not comprehend the difference between Glock's 38.15% and SIG's 8.62% (or even simpler Glock's 124 votes and SIG's 28 votes), I stand by recommendation you might want to check the number (or investigate a good remedial math class
). BTW, I did not intend to "flame" you--you had clearly misinterpretted or misrepresented the data. My primary suggestion was check the numbers, but evidently all you saw was the smart-aleck part--mea culpa, mea culpa maxima. I sorry your feelings were hurt.
I would say your assumption of "overrated" and "reliable" as opposing issues was really a greater error than your faulty analysis of the available data. If you look closely at the list, there is not a single unreliable weapon listed (except "Other"). There is not a significant reliability difference between any of them. Glock is no more reliable than any of them, and I doubt seriously if of them is more reliable than Glock--it should be obvious the difference is not based reliability issues.
You weren't by any chance counting votes in Florida in November 2000 were you? Seems like somebody there declared a draw as well.
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xrageofangelsx
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Juliet Charley
It's not my fault you're incapable of both clicking on the link (which does not take you to the poll, but another thread regarding the most reliable autoloaders). Thanks for proving my point on your reading comprehension for a second time.
It's not my fault you're incapable of both clicking on the link (which does not take you to the poll, but another thread regarding the most reliable autoloaders). Thanks for proving my point on your reading comprehension for a second time.
juliet charley
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xrageofangelsx -
You still don't get it.
1. Your statement, "You read here about overrated and you get the same answer," is wrong--you don't get the same answer." While your statement that "you'll find that most of the entries say Glock and Sig," on the "reliability" thread may be correct, you do NOT get the same answer on this thread. The Glock clearly gets far more hits on "overrated" than the SIG does. I challenged your statement that you "get the same answer" on "reliability" as "overrated." It is clearly wrong--Glock has approximately five times more "overrated" responses than the SIG. On this thread MOST entries say "Glock"--not "Glock and SIG."
2. It makes no difference what the other thread has to say. Your interpretation of this thread is wrong.
You still don't get it.
1. Your statement, "You read here about overrated and you get the same answer," is wrong--you don't get the same answer." While your statement that "you'll find that most of the entries say Glock and Sig," on the "reliability" thread may be correct, you do NOT get the same answer on this thread. The Glock clearly gets far more hits on "overrated" than the SIG does. I challenged your statement that you "get the same answer" on "reliability" as "overrated." It is clearly wrong--Glock has approximately five times more "overrated" responses than the SIG. On this thread MOST entries say "Glock"--not "Glock and SIG."
2. It makes no difference what the other thread has to say. Your interpretation of this thread is wrong.
xrageofangelsx
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Juliet Charley
Don't bother replying to any more of my threads. If you can't read what my posts are, don't bother attempting to comment. It's perfectly logical. I wont bother explaining it again because winning an argument on the internet is like winning the Special Olympics.. you won, but you're still retarded.
Don't bother replying to any more of my threads. If you can't read what my posts are, don't bother attempting to comment. It's perfectly logical. I wont bother explaining it again because winning an argument on the internet is like winning the Special Olympics.. you won, but you're still retarded.
xrageofangelsx,
You made a comparison between two polls and made it sound like Glock and Sig were tops in both. That is incorrect. Glock and Sig might be tops in the reliability poll, but Sig is 5th on the overrated poll. Which is what JC is telling you.
There can be little irony when the Sig is thought to be very reliable, but not really overrated.
Do you understand?
You made a comparison between two polls and made it sound like Glock and Sig were tops in both. That is incorrect. Glock and Sig might be tops in the reliability poll, but Sig is 5th on the overrated poll. Which is what JC is telling you.
There can be little irony when the Sig is thought to be very reliable, but not really overrated.
Do you understand?
xrageofangelsx
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Yes, I get what you are saying.
I just don't agree that if a gun is reliable, that it can't be overrated. If gun #1 is rated at a much better chance to saving your life than gun #2, then gun #1 isn't overrated.
Do you see what I am saying?
Yes, I get what you are saying.
I just don't agree that if a gun is reliable, that it can't be overrated. If gun #1 is rated at a much better chance to saving your life than gun #2, then gun #1 isn't overrated.
Do you see what I am saying?
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