Mossberg Shockwave

After I posted my thoughts, I came across a video on youtube featuring Ian of Forgotten Weapons. It's his alt channel that he does with another guy and it's called InRangeTV.

Anyway, in the video Ian and the other guy not named Ian shoot a Mossberg Crusier, a 500 with pistol grip only, a standard Mossberg 500 with a buttstock, and a hammered coach gun.

For the first two shots, the Coach gun is the fastest of all three. The one that causes the most missed shots was the Pistol Grip only shotgun, but the Mossberg 500 with buttstock was the best overall performer, especially when it came to getting that third shot off.

The big point of the video is that while one can be good with pistol grip shotguns, they're going to be better, faster, with a buttstock on a shotgun.

Here's the link if interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYjThckYqBQ&t=2001s
 
I saw that video. What a terrible technique. Who clears their house with an unloaded chamber, waiting for a threat before racking the slide?

Not to mention, the whole point of these is to make it a more compact and maneuverable weapon inside of a confined space. Sure, my bedside gun is the 20" 590A1 SP. And I have a nearly perfect line of sight from my master bedroom door down the hallways, across the living room, to the front door of the house.

I keep the shockwave in a different part of the house that I could easily access in case of an emergency where I wasn't in the bedroom. It's smaller form factor lets it fit more places and is much more compact for transitioning in and around hallways, etc.

Obviously a shoulder stock is going to make it more accurate. It's also going to add length and bulk to the gun. That's not the purpose of this weapon from my perspective.
 
Mike, sorry but you're wrong.
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I assume you're talking to me, but my name isn't Mike. What am I wrong about? Did I say anything that is factually incorrect? Perhaps saying "terrible technique" is subjective, but I'll stand by that statement.

Ian is a GOD when it comes to guns.
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To you, perhaps. I disagree. There are very few people I would ever dare to refer to that way. Ian McCollum is not on that list.

Have you seen his videos??
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I have. Lots of good content, for sure. That doesn't make him infallible. I simply think he's approaching it from an way that is incorrect. No one is making the claim that the Shockwave is more accurate or faster than a traditional shoulder stock shotgun... so the "proof" didn't really prove much more than their own strawman argument.

It's a short, compact shotgun platform that can go places a standard gun can't - or can't as easily move. In that role, it's a solid option for having a lot more power than a pistol in a compact package.
 
For some reason I thought your name was Mike. I didn't read it properly.

Regardless, Ian is an expert on firearms. He has produced HUNDREDS of videos on vintage and modern firearms, and knows his stuff. He is in a word a living legend in the gun community. The video CLEARLY PROVES that a pistol grip shotgun is all but useless in a SERIOUS STRESSFUL shooting engagement at anything beyond a few feet. Even indoors in close quarters, a standard full stock option is going to offer a dramatic increase in shot placement. You might also think that buckshot spreads out to cover an entire room in close quarters, and for that, you are wrong as well (if you believe that to begin with I am just assuming).

I bought my M590S as a pure range toy. I have no delusions about it's use as a defensive shotgun. For that purpose, it is next to useless unless no other option is available.
 
Picked up mine on Tuesday. Runs great with Aguila mini shells(with the OPsol mini-clip) and lo recoil buck shot. Am Going to try a Crimson Trace rail master laser mounted upside down on a weaver scope rail tomorrow.
 

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Regardless, Ian is an expert on firearms. He has produced HUNDREDS of videos on vintage and modern firearms, and knows his stuff. He is in a word a living legend in the gun community.
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Whew. You must have a shrine to nutnfancy then. :p

You might also think that buckshot spreads out to cover an entire room in close quarters, and for that, you are wrong as well (if you believe that to begin with I am just assuming).
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You know what they say about assumptions...


Considering that I've had mine for over 5 years and have hundreds of rounds through this particular gun - thousands through my main 590A1, I'll take my own training and experience over the hyperbolic statements of a youtube gun expert that was (not) proving a point using a gun totally unrelated to the gun in question.

My 5'1" 114lb wife can even run the thing reliably and engage multiple steel targets.... more reliably than she can with my 20" 590A1 because there's not as much weight up front.

"Beyond a few feet" is nonsense... but once again, I'm not claiming this is a 25 yard gun(though I can hit my steel silhouettes with slugs at 25 yards). But it's utter nonsense that you're telling someone with 5 years of experience on the platform that it's useless for anything more than a range toy because some youtuber made a video showing how he was a few tenths of a second faster with a gun he has decades of experience with, than a gun he has virtually zero experience with.

That proves a whole lot of nothing.

But I'll bow out of this conversation because I'm obviously not going to change your mind here. I do hope you enjoy the gun as much as I have. Best of luck!
 
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Thanks Uncle Malice. I meant you no harm.

I am just miffed that Buds hasn't sent any out yet. Reports are streaming in of guys getting them from elsewhere. It's been two months since I put my reserve order in on Buds. It's getting annoying.
 
UPDATE: Just called Buds. They said they had an order in for at least 1000 of these guns and so far have only got a couple hundred from Mossberg. These things are FLYING off the shelf. The representative said he plans to buy one in the near future after the initial orders are filled. Hopefully they receive another batch soon, I still have my place in line for one. I am STOKED.

About using it for defense, I did some research and it appears Ian might not be as experienced at shooting this style of shotgun as I originally thought. He even mentions something to that effect in the video. I want to formally apologize to Uncle Malice for acting like a know it all. I fully believe you to probably be a better determination of the defensive use of a pistol grip only shotgun than him.
 
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The one thing I'll say is that fads often don't last. This Shockwave is in the same position the Judge and the KSG once were.

Don't overpay for something that's not worth it.
 
The one thing I'll say is that fads often don't last. This Shockwave is in the same position the Judge and the KSG once were.

Don't overpay for something that's not worth it.
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Being mass-marketed might be a "fad" but the Title 1 firearm 'short shotgun' is not. People have been modifying "PGO" shotguns to non-shotgun Title 1 status for many years.

It isn't a Judge by any means. The Judge still sells, and was a product meant to introduce a new 'niche' to the market; while the Tile 1 'short shotgun' is a niche that already exists and Mossberg is trying to take advantage of.
And, unless Mossberg screws the pooch with production numbers, it won't be a KSG, either. The KSG is still in high demand -- Kel-Tec just doesn't produce enough of them.
 
Thanks Uncle Malice. I meant you no harm.

I am just miffed that Buds hasn't sent any out yet. Reports are streaming in of guys getting them from elsewhere. It's been two months since I put my reserve order in on Buds. It's getting annoying.
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UPDATE: Just called Buds. They said they had an order in for at least 1000 of these guns and so far have only got a couple hundred from Mossberg. These things are FLYING off the shelf. The representative said he plans to buy one in the near future after the initial orders are filled. Hopefully they receive another batch soon, I still have my place in line for one. I am STOKED.

About using it for defense, I did some research and it appears Ian might not be as experienced at shooting this style of shotgun as I originally thought. He even mentions something to that effect in the video. I want to formally apologize to Uncle Malice for acting like a know it all. I fully believe you to probably be a better determination of the defensive use of a pistol grip only shotgun than him.
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No hard feelings here man. Hope you get it quick!
 
Nice 87samurai, I can't help but like it!!! I would also like to try some short shells out in my 500, just haven't found any.
 
I've been stockpiling some for a while. I googled "Aguila minishot shells" and found some for about $20 a box of 20. The laser setup did great this morning-allowed me to shoot from the waist-center mass at 20' with both the buckshot and slugs. Not sure on the longevity of this laser mounted this way-will experiment with other lasers next week.
 
Putting a laser on this seems like a great idea to increase hit probability.

I bought an OpSol mini-clip and several boxes of Aguila mini-shells last night in anticipation for my shotgun. If I can practice getting good hits out to 10-15 yards or so (the longest distance in my house) I might even consider using this for home defense.
 
I have considered adding a laser as well, just haven't found a good way to mount one. I supposed adding a pic rail to the top and just going that route would be best. I considered a red dot with higher mount as well, but too much variability in sight picture, dot acquisition would take too long.

I'd like to do a pressure switch activated laser on the fore end or something. Would be easy if the Magpul version would fit.... maybe Magpul will drop a 6.5" front end for this version.
 
Got mine. Its very fun and reasonable to point one handed. I think stippling the grip installing a swivel on it will make it insanely packable.

I am gonna have to check out Forends aswell or just remove the strap on this one.

I will say many people handled mine and you could totally see them enjoying themselves. Sure its impractical but everyone was all smiles.
 
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