More open carry guys scaring the public

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Thanks! I know Mr. Cotton and he is an excellent fellow. I saw the OC folks harass him as JohnKSa reported at the legal seminar. Mr. Cotton is right on!

I should look at TX CHL more but there is only so much time.

I recall that some of the TX OC folks threatened to sabotage campus carry if they didn't get their way.
 
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to start with I cant see taking my wife to dinner with me carrying an ar across my chest HELLO how stupid, the state of ms. has open carry,an you dont see folks here walking around carrying long guns,you might see a fellow on his horse on main street with a 45 on his hip,i dont understand why these guys want t eat with their rifles,can someone explain this to me, heck join the military,
what does it prove ,so what you have a rifle,are we suppose to say oooooouuuu he has a rifle,nope what a fool,i just dont understand them people
 
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i dont understand why these guys want t eat with their rifles,can someone explain this to me, heck join the military,
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Even in the military you can't go into a chow hall or a restaurant with a rifle, at least not on Camp LeJeune. I'm guessing it's like that at most (if not all) other military bases also.
 
I don't mind a little ''in your face'' demonstration. As long as you can do it in a responsible, mature way.

Yes I will be using the OC method of carry this summer. :p
 
I'm guessing it's like that at most (if not all) other military bases also
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As far as I know, it is.

That said, expect to see more bans in the private sector. MDA has found a winning strategy, and they're going to work it for all they can.

We'll threaten boycotts, which won't hurt anything, and those businesses will feel justified.
 
OC group does it again at CHilis and gets in verbal tussle with texas Firearms Commission (TSRA related)

http://www.ktrh.com/articles/houston-news-121300/texas-gun-group-lands-in-hot-12407479

“Charles Cotton has never been to one of our rallies. He’s done nothing but tell us to stop. He hasn’t tried to understand us. He hasn’t come out to see how we do things,” Grisham explained.

Grisham says his members normally call businesses firs first. But he admits these eight members “took things for granted,” and didn’t call.

However, he says the issue has been addressed by issuing new guidelines to his members.
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If I had to pick Cotton over Grisham as someone who has actually promoted useful improvements to gun rights in TX - that's a very easy choice.
 
Hopefully, it might fade over time but I wouldn't hold my breath for positive gun rights actions in TX this next session.

Campus carry - so much more important than OC - has not be successful and probably will fail again.

Carry on Campus might stop a rampage. A doofus in Chipolte's will do little to save anyone as compared to concealed carry.
 
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Theohazard said:
I'm guessing it's like that at most (if not all) other military bases also
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As far as I know, it is.
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Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. And just to clarify: I'm not just talking about personally-owned firearms. On Camp Lejeuene, if we happened to come directly out of the field and we still had our M16s on us, we couldn't bring them into the chow hall. We had to stage them somewhere and take turns watching them while everyone ate. And a Marine in cammies with an M16 is hardly an unusual sight on Camp LeJeune, so it's not like the reason was to avoid scaring people.

I'll be honest, it never even occurred to me that someone would want to bring a slung rifle into a restaurant with them until these open carry "activists" started doing it.
 
I'll be honest, it never even occurred to me that someone would want to bring a slung rifle into a restaurant with them until these open carry "activists" started doing it.
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When I was younger, that would have been considered something trashy to do-like your mamma didn't raise you proper to lean it at the door. Nowdays if I see someone coming through the door with an unslung rifle my first thought is that this is a mass murderer. Times have changed.

I fear, in addition to setting back OC, it could lead to a very very bad situation one of these days with somone who happens to be in that store.
 
Wonder if the gun is chambered? That mode of carry would be fundamentally unsafe. Note the hand near the trigger. If you know the ergonomics of NDs - a slip and the trigger is easily activated.

The other point is that a concerned citizen would have a hard time distinguishing a nut walking into a store with a gun slung like that from a noble supporter of the RKBA.
 
Watkins is a fixture in the Texas open-carry community. He takes his fedora and AK-47 pretty much everywhere he goes. In this video (warning: language) he's visible on the left from 2:40 on.

Notice the byline on the video. Mother Jones. They've found a way of using our antics against us, and we can expect them to mine it for all it's worth.
 
Scaring the public or scaring the antis? There is a huge difference and I do not see people in public getting scared around people open carrying. What I think is occurring is antis are getting their panties in a wad on TV claiming the public is scared for the promotion of their stance. Reality and TV are not in sync.
 
I do not see people in public getting scared around people open carrying.
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Wrong. 'People in public' get antsy as hell when they see anyone walking around in town with a long gun. Too many mall/theater/school shootings have begun with somebody walking in with a long gun. They call the cops more often than not. It can be a tense situation for a few minutes. Then there are the legal concealed carriers who see them and have to make a decision. Thankfully, it is usually the right one.

The Rifle OC crowd knows all these things. Evidently they are less concerned about the potential outcomes than they are about 'making a point'.
 
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I totally agree these folks never got enough butt whippings when they were young,they must not have got Tonka toys or a train set etc, so now they figure no one can tell them what to do so they replaced the missing toys with weapons, and its like he he look at me now what I can do,i don't blame the resturants from banning weapons from their premises,especially long guns, I carry my pistol where ever I go concealed, no one ever knows I have it on me, don't want anyone to know im carrying,have no intentions of carrying a long gun even if its legal,too much of a hassle,and I don't want folks looking at me an thinking what an idiot
 
I wonder if these folks open carrying long guns in hamburger joints are really on our side?

I have seen some of the pictures and I can't fault restaurants banning open carry of firearms in their stores.

Who in their right mind would want to take their kids into a fast food place and see a bunch of folks exercising their right to be stupid by open carrying long guns especially but any kind of open carry.

Just because you can does not mean you should.

People who are insisting on exercising that right are hurting our cause and helping they folks who want to impose more restrictions on the Second Amendment.
 
i dont support long gun OC. there is not reason for it.
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I was listening to Art Bell: Somewhere In Time (recorded talk radio show from way back) last night while working. The similarities to the discussion here were striking.

The show was from May of 1994, and one of the topics was the impending Assault Weapons Ban bill. Many of the proponents that came on in support of the AWB were gun owners with the very same arguments made by the people attacking OC:

i dont support long gun OC. there is not reason for it.
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Juxtapose "private ownership of these Assault Weapons" for "long gun OC" ......

I wonder if these folks open carrying long guns in hamburger joints are really on our side?
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There were arguments that AWB opponents were hurting gun rights (maybe intentionally?) and the 2A by making gun ownership look scary ...... scaring the public in further restrictions .....

There was an argument that respected Conservative Gun Rights people, including Ronald Reagan, and many NRA members were in support of the bill ....

The parallels with this discussion were, for me, disturbing.

It got quite heated and the 2 sides were as sharply divided as the pro-OC and anti-OC groups are today.
 
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