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Found some .22's at a shop today 325 for $40+ 3% credit+ tax. One brick left. I Told them no thanks. Did break down and buy a box of 50 .357 mag for $30 though, just because I was out. They just had 3 boxes left.


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Why would you need a bulk pack? If you shoot steel with a rimfire, then:

At least 5 targets, 5 runs in a stage and 5 stages for us.

Do the math - that's 125 minimum for a match and probably more. We've a couple of 22 steel matches a month around here. So you would use a pack a month or two.

If you decide to use a 22 LR in the carbine matches (2 a month), that's another 100 or 200 a month. Some of us like to shoot a lot.
 
Or, if you run four classes a day of 16 boys apiece, for six weeks, and each boy, at minimum needs 45 rounds, it adds up real quick.

To the tune of,at minimum, 17,280 rounds, not counting pre-summer work ups and other assorted sundries,
 
How do I explain free market policies to an 11 year old who signed up for the rifle merit badge but can't take it now because I'm all out of ammo?
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There's always archery. My son is also going to Summer Camp this year. It'll be interesting to hear how the rifle range handled the situation.

I will say it again.... if you have been around awhile in the shooting sports and if you did not see the writing on the wall about guns and ammunition supply when the President was re-elected, shame on you.
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I agree with this. Needing 35 bricks of 22lr before summer camp is one thing, but not having a couple thousand rounds of 22 on-on hand before November 2012 was just not paying much attention, if you experienced 2008-2009.
 
The problem being that it wasn't this bad in 2008, and even so, my operating budget doesn't get finalized until the beginning of the year, so my purchasing options are limited.

We've also discussed offering the black powder option to those boys who want and waiving the fee, got plenty of assorted black powder gear stashed.

Fall back plans were floated today, including slashing class sizes and retrofitting the rifle range to serve as a secondary archery range and running more classes of archery, again waiving the nominal fee for arrow kits and such, which at this point, have yet to be hoarded. :D
 
We've also discussed offering the black powder option to those boys who want and waiving the fee, got plenty of assorted black powder gear stashed.
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The black powder shooting may be your best bet. At least it will slow them down and force them to focus on the basics. They may even appreciate the louder explosion and increased recoil. I'm gonna have to try shooting black powder someday as well.
 
SPEMack618 said:
The problem being that it wasn't this bad in 2008, and even so, my operating budget doesn't get finalized until the beginning of the year, so my purchasing options are limited.

We've also discussed offering the black powder option to those boys who want and waiving the fee, got plenty of assorted black powder gear stashed.

Fall back plans were floated today, including slashing class sizes and retrofitting the rifle range to serve as a secondary archery range and running more classes of archery, again waiving the nominal fee for arrow kits and such, which at this point, have yet to be hoarded. :D
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Back when I worked staff at summer camp as a youth back in 95-97, I worked at the rifle range one summer. Half of our ammo was donated. Might not be a bad idea to send some notifications around to the different troops asking for ammo donations. Even with the panic, I'm guessing a lot scoutmasters and parents of scouts wouldn't mind parting with a couple boxes or even a brick. Heck, you could contact some of the smaller gun stores and see if they'll set aside some for a good cause. You might not be able to get your total amount needed in donations, but every little bit counts.
 
Honestly the worst part about this is we 'shooters' ones that actually put rounds thru our guns will feel this shortages effects long after its gone. As the prices creep up they rarely if ever come down... I remember when I was 18, barely eight years ago 100 bulk packs of 9mm were under ten bucks. 500 .22lr five bucks. 45s were spendy at 20 per hundred. After what 3 ammo scares those are all double now?

The guy who ran out and got an AR and 100 rounds of ammo for his 3 mags he'll be good for like 3 years. So what if he pays a bit more per box he only shoots 10 boxes a year. Doesn't faze him any.

Honestly if .45s stay up over forty bucks a box I'm screwed. ten bucks more per hundred adds up damn quick. 5.45 steel shot up 2 bucks per thirty since this happened... and with the large bulk cleaned out, puts it at the price of 5.56, hooray so much for cheaper rounds... and i can't reload steel cases. When I was 18 working for 7.25 I could afford to shoot a hell of a lot more then I can now. :mad:

I just pray ammo prices return to what they were. :(
 
If Walmart and the other big sellers would simply raise their price to the market price this would end a lot sooner. It's the sight of all those empty shelves, as much as anything, that causes people to buy all they can as soon as the delivery trucks unload.
 
When I was 18 working for 7.25 I could afford to shoot a hell of a lot more then I can now.
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It is amazing what responsibilities add to the cost of living. I was making $2.00/hr when I was 18. I thought it was a lot of money. But I had no expenses. Didn't even own a car.

I don't remember those prices 8 years ago. But that's okay. I know they were lower. I believe Federal 510's ran about $1.29/50-ct box 8 years ago at Walmart. I always find historical or even recent historical pricing interesting. But we know that inflation takes a big toll over time even without commodity prices going up.
 
It is amazing what responsibilities add to the cost of living.
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But the sad part is my responsibilities have stayed the same . Cars, loan, school, I had all that if anything I should have more cash now that some of its paid off. Sigh, seems like money went a lot further back then. =P The good ol' days ;)

Affordable ammo is a must... a mans got needs! :D
 
What we need is a support group for those that can't stop buying 22 long rifle.

We could start the meeting with:

"Hi!, my name is ............and even though I have built walls in my house from bricks of 22's I spend all my time trying to find more".:eek:

People need help, and I am all about helping those caught up in this bondage.;)
 
Uh..no. The only good its doing is for those who are buying and reselling. (A loathsome activity, really. Not any different than ticket scalping.)
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While I don't like the massive increases in prices, I hold no grudge against those selling items at the inflated prices. I do not have the time nor inclination to constantly scout LGSs and Big Box retailers looking for guns, ammo, or mags. If I really need a new rifle or standard capacity magazine, it is worth it to me to pay the currently demanded premium and just get what I need, rather than play the waiting game. Obviously a great many people feel this same way, or the prices would never have spiked.

I also have no ill will towards ticket scalpers; it is only because of a ticket scalper I was able to see my beloved Broncos win the Super Bowl in person in 1998, one of my fondest football memories. Wouldn't have happened without a scalper...
 
If you want to stick it to those buying and reselling ammo at a huge markup, don't buy from them. If the are the only source of ammo then just put off shooting for a while. Once enough people do this these gougers will be stuck with ammo they can't resell.
 
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The original price wasnt too low, it was fair with a normal profit margin that the promoters were satisfied with, and possibly in agreement with the city and/or venue owners guidelines.
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All of which is completely arbitrary. The only price that matters is the price that people are willing to pay. If the promoters set their price too low than they guarantee the existence of scalpers just as surely as prohibition guaranteed the existence of bootleggers.

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And of course scalping is loathsome,
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The scalper is providing the valuable service of standing in line in place of those who have jobs.

scalpers are in part cause of premature selling out.
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Only to the extent that some scalpers may miscalculate and be stuck with unsold tickets.

Its exactly the same as this ammo situation.
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Yes.
 
The rationale for the free market does not mean we cannot comment on the personality structure of the flipper. Esp. if said flipper will contemplate the impact of legit shooting sports, training and those contemplating SD purchases.
 
Glenn: People can, of course, comment on whatever they like however it's worth understanding that the flippers would be put out of business immediately if the large retailers would simply raise their price to the market price. They cannot do this because a large fraction of the public would see them as evil since they do not understand the economics of the situation (or at least understanding hasn't seeped into their lizard brain). In reality the empty shelf is more damaging to the shooting sports etc than the high price and we are paying more than we otherwise would due to the time wasted in line, driving to multiple stores etc.
 
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