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Do you think the Government could be buying it at factories so the public doesnt even get a chance at it and see what their new laws will pass or not? If they dont take away our gun rights (which wont happen) but they definately will start taxing our butts so we cant hardly buy the ammo :mad:
 
If people do this with food at some point we will be starving people with our ways. I keep seeing people say that all this ammo panic is ok, but is it?
Panic is not a good thing, ever.
And, you can't defend a personal ammo dump should the right set of circumstances become reality...Even the army knows this simple fact and that's why they have protocol to blow them up should they be discovered..you can't defend them.

IMHO, we need to stop telling people it's ok to be running around in a panic stacking ammo up to the windows and tell them the truth......they are crazy..and in need of professional help.

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I still respect people's ability to buy whatever they won't so long as thier wallets hold out, but it is starting to grate when I think what harm they may doing to the next generation of shooters.
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I highly doubt that a shortage of a few months is going to do any harm to future generations of shooters. In fact, this shortage may have done alot of good. People who never before took an interest in firearms are now asking themselves what is going on here. Many are taking classes and buying guns.



Besides, there is no shortage here. One of my favorite rainy day activities is to build forts and castles with my 22lr bricks. It's better than Legos!!
 
In fact, this shortage may have done alot of good. People who never before took an interest in firearms are now asking themselves what is going on here. Many are taking classes and buying guns.
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Uh..no. The only good its doing is for those who are buying and reselling. (A loathsome activity, really. Not any different than ticket scalping.)
Those who didnt have an interest before certainly dont have an interest now just because we're crying about an ammo shortage.

Fact is, nothing has changed - production is the same and so are the laws & taxes - we have a ammo shortage BECAUSE of the hoarding and associated activities.

To each is own, do what you want with your money, but those who have enough to build lego-style forts and dinosaurs or who are stacking it to the rafters ARE THE SOLE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM.

I hope the manufactures start running around the clock and hang all of you who are hoarding/reselling with a big depreciating pile of ammo that ends up being worth nothing more than what you paid, even better... half of what you paid.

On a side note... Notice how this so-called debt crisis has simply resulted in the Republican's digging in calling Obama's bluff?
I suspect they'll do the same on all of the Democrate sponsored gun bills, effectively nullifying all of the over-priced panic buying going on lately.
 
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I hope the manufactures start running around the clock and hang all of you who are hoarding/reselling with a big depreciating pile of ammo that ends up being worth nothing more than what you paid, even better... half of what you paid.

On a side note... Notice how this so-called debt crisis has simply resulted in the Republican's digging in calling Obama's bluff?
I suspect they'll do the same on all of the Democrate sponsored gun bills, effectively nullifying all of the over-priced panic buying going on lately.
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I haven't bought any guns or ammunition as a result of the President, the recent election or possible laws. I bought on 13-round mag for my Glock. That has been the extent of buying something that might get banned which I doubt. Any ammunition I purchased in the October > December time period was for my own use and again was not purchased because I was worried about some law change. I bought it in part because I expected a run on ammunition and exactly what has happened. I call it preparation.
 
Uh..no. The only good its doing is for those who are buying and reselling. (A loathsome activity, really. Not any different than ticket scalping.)
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Ticket scalping is simply supply and demand attempting to reach equilibrium. It may be annoying to some but there isn't anything particularly loathsome about it. If shows and events sold out to begin with their price was too low.

Anyway, I've seen a number of people who read articles on the shortage and asked me what was going on. I explained that our rights were being threatened and those people out of a spirit of self preservation or a desire to spit in Obama's eye went out and bought guns and ammunition. I certainly don't suggest to anyone to relax and sit on what they have. If you've got the funds you better being stocking up!

As I've said before I don't feel particularly bad for those who were caught with their pants down (again) but I wouldn't hesitate to share some ammo with a newbie or someone at the range teaching a kid to shoot.
 
The thing that's weird about the hoarding, is although I associate with people who shoot every weekend, and who probably do more actual shooting in a year than most will do in a lifetime, none is a hoarder, and none can get ammo; who's doing the hoarding? If it's not "shooters", then who is it?
I mean, the whole thing is being driven by slumlords who go to Wal-Mart at two o'clock in the morning?
 
How do I explain free market policies to an 11 year old who signed up for the rifle merit badge but can't take it now because I'm all out of ammo?
 
Cheaper than mud is "selling" WWB 45 ACP for get this...... $99.95 a box of 50... Just wow! :eek:

Oh nevermind they lowered the price to ONLY $50 a box... lol
 
It seems to me that a lot of the "hoarding" is being done by speculators cashing in on the current 2A situation. If you look at the ratings of some sellers on GB.com....they are very low. Just wished I followed the advice of a friend who went through the last shortage.....always buy a few boxes of ammo every week.....
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Ticket scalping is simply supply and demand attempting to reach equilibrium. It may be annoying to some but there isn't anything particularly loathsome about it. If shows and events sold out to begin with their price was too low.
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The original price wasnt too low, it was fair with a normal profit margin that the promoters were satisfied with, and possibly in agreement with the city and/or venue owners guidelines.
And of course scalping is loathsome, which is in part why its illegal almost everywhere... its an attempt to prevent a few foul folks from buying far more than their share at regular retail prices then reselling at inflated prices later when its sold out, scalpers are in part cause of premature selling out.
Its exactly the same as this ammo situation.

If all would simply return to their normal buying and shooting habits the shelves would fill right back up again.
 
How do I explain free market policies to an 11 year old who signed up for the rifle merit badge but can't take it now because I'm all out of ammo?
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This is a great opportunity to teach him the Boy Scout Motto Be Prepared
 
Doesn't fly. Summer camp operating budget doesn't get finalized until beginning of Feb. Money doesn't trickle in until early March. Can't buy ammo without money.
 
So why don't you help this kid out with your supply? Sounds like you want someone else to pay for it.

I will say it again.... if you have been around awhile in the shooting sports and if you did not see the writing on the wall about guns and ammunition supply when the President was re-elected, shame on you.

If you are a new shooter and a friend, I would personally be willing to supply them with all the 22 ammunition needed, but not the scout troop. But that would not be enough to go out and rattle off 1000 rounds at hunks of dirt and whatever they might choose to plink at. Some rationality comes into play and kids often have little when Mom and Dad supply them with everything they ever want. Bulk packs... $50 or $20, makes no difference to them as long as they are provided for.
 
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The thing that's weird about the hoarding, is although I associate with people who shoot every weekend, and who probably do more actual shooting in a year than most will do in a lifetime, none is a hoarder, and none can get ammo; who's doing the hoarding? If it's not "shooters", then who is it?
I mean, the whole thing is being driven by slumlords who go to Wal-Mart at two o'clock in the morning?
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The true hoarders and flippers looking to sell at a profit.
 
Since when do people need bulk packs to learn how to shoot? Think Davy Crockett or Sergeant York went through a brick an afternoon? No, they grew up when ammo was expensive and hard to come by. They learned to make the shots they had count.
 
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