Microstamping passes Kalifornia senate...

Dont knock it DFA

Olaf was onto something - you can spear your opponent with a head butt if you lose your nordic axe.

1. As mentioned, if it's raised, it will create both functioning problems, and destroy or mar itself upon extraction.

2. If it's recessed, fouling can build up, rendering it useless.

3. Even if it would work, it would seem to me that it would be pretty darn difficult to get it on the INSIDE of a barrel/chamber. Someone said that laser etching is easily done today. Yes, when you can have the etching parts of the large laser etching MACHINE up close to the metal being etched, and the metal coming along on a conveyor line. How you gonna get that machine inside the barrel? If possible, it would mean new technology, and my guess is VERY expensive.

4. I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say that (IN MY OPINION ONLY, guys!), California legislators are dumb bunnies. Don't flame me - it's just the way I see it.
 
Wouldn't you love to go to the senate barbershop to get multiple DNA samples to scatter around a crime scene? Or pick range brass at the PD shooting range or.
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Wouldn't work. Hair clippings don't have roots, and the artificial (sharp) cut would be obvious to forensics.
 
OK - seems it would be on the firing pin, OR on a 'plug' inserted into the breech of the weapon. Also seems it would be microscopic etchings (sort of 'holes' I think). Special forensic optics reveal the information. They supposedly have demonstrated that it works.

I would also not be at all surprised if this passed. The liberal ^&*%$ politicians WANT TO make guns too expensive, they WANT to make it a hassle to own and shoot them. They ARE stupid enough to think it will help fight crime or they are SMART enough to just pretend it will (they & the antis state "brass recovered at crime scenes will help LE find the legal owner" as if LEGAL owners would commit crimes with their guns). The inventor has been pushing it hard for 3 years - AND he stands to make a LOT of $$$ as he holds the patent and owns the company and is involved with the imaging technology through Hitachi AND is the one advising the *&^%* liberal politicians how great it is. In 2002 Lizotte stated that criminals seeding a crime scene with 'fake' casings was a real issue: "There are a lot of very educated criminals out there," Lizotte said. "Cartridges can be collected and planted -- left at the scene of the crime on purpose to excite some response." NOW he thinks such a thing is laughable???

Also seems the votes MAY really be there in both houses.

Listen - this a state where a law passed allowing 13 yr olds to have abortions w/o needing to tell their parents - they are selfish and assanine!!

I think Arnold may be our best/only bet.
 
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I find it very interesting and very disturbing that the powers that be still believe that MORE gun control will work. Tracing, tagging, stamping, coding, etc.
They cannot enforce the existing laws that are already on the books.
Crooks STEEL guns for their purposes. Then they dispose of those guns after the crime. How do they think stamping will help them or deter crime. This is INSANE!!!!!!!!!! Guns already have serial numbers on them. Isn't that plenty?? Sarah Brady herself even admitted that only 16% of criminals get their guns by a legal method. Law abiding gun owners pay for the stupidity of criminals and the uneducated law makers...yet crime goes on and increases.

I really feel for people in California. I don't know what it will take but you guys need some SERIOUS protest and letters to your senators and representitives about these stupid gun laws. As long as you LET them, they will continue to do the same. Every Californian gun owner should be a member of Gun Owners of America. Period! Something drastic HAS to be done.
 
And I don't see how picking up range brass would combat this.
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After the "homies" do their business, they pick up their brass, and then scatter brass they picked up at a range. Now 10 different people are possible suspects. It'll waste the PD's time endlessly.

The only thing this system will do is help find the person who's handgun was stolen quicker.

Some people have trouble figuring this out:

A criminal is a person who commits a crime. A crime is something that is against the law. Criminals don't obey laws. Thus, you can pass laws left and right and the criminals will break them. It's what they do!
 
we need to start letter-writing to gun companies (if this becomes law), saying that they should stop all sales to california, most importantly to LEOAs, and if they do, we'll buy their guns, and if they don't, we'll buy their competitors' guns.
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hey what if only citizens can get guns and ammo.:evil:
 
Guys, this isn't dumb, its EVIL.

Its all about preventing any new handguns being imported into kalifornia.

The liberal facists that run this state (yes, sadly I reside in kal.) KNOW they cannot win an outright ban on firearms so its one little step at a time. This is one of those steps, just like the 10 day waiting period, the "approved" handgun list (all handguns not on list - read not being currently produced, can only be sold Face To Face or thru consignment, no used handguns at the gunstore unless on list), the fingerprinting for ammo in Los Angeles, etc..

Kal. has a law soon to take effect requiring manual saftys, magazine saftys and a locking mechanism (I am not positive but I believe this passed and was signed into law- don't know effective date-getting my blood pressure up now).

Now they want micro-stamping on firing pins - some day added to this law will be handguns already in use can only have firing pins replaced with microstamped pins which require a DROS, Fee's, etc. all part of one additional item to make owning, selling, possessing, transferring handguns harder to do in kal. What happens when the firing pin needs replacing? Maybe they will find a way to charge a $10,000 tax on micro-processed firing pins?

This kind of stuff happens ALL the time in kal. - there is a proposition coming up to vote in Nov. on something like an extra $4 per pack cigarette tax - its just a way to outlaw cigarettes because the liberal PC fascists don't like cigarettes. The city of calabasas has outlawed smoking in any public area OUTSIDE! You cannot smoke in the mall parking lot in calabasas it is illegal!

When you tranfer title on a building with a natural gas line to it you have to install an "earthquake" shutoff valve, or get certification that it has one that works - why? because a plumber invented it and knew that if he got the law passed requiring it he would become a millionaire - now there is an entire group of plumbers that charge $200+ to install earthquake valves on houses when they get sold - eventually every house will have one and business will dry up but the original guy and a bunch or others have already gotten rich. Just another example of fascist socialism in kalifornia. Plus, another certification beuracracy is in place!

Remember this is the state that tried to pass the $10 per round ammo tax. Those evil politicians aren't dumb.
 
Sigh.

This is the third or fourth time this bill has been up. It failed by 1 (one) vote each time. They will keep submitting it till it passes. Arnold does not have to sign it for it to become law, just not veto it. I have no faith in our European governor anyway. Remember the .50 BMG?

If this passes, and you all can get manufacturers not to sell at all in Ca. at all, do it. I would rather never buy another gun here, than have this in effect.
 
I say again:
Anyone wanna take bets that LEO's will be exempted? They require firearms that function.
Rich
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Rich,

I've read thru it and can't find any LE exemption - but that doesn't mean it isn't there.
 
I HOPE LEOs arn't exempted. Just watch how fast they backpedal when they have to take on the crooks with just a stick cause they can't get guns. Just watch the crime rate skyrocket when police can't shoot back.:mad:
 
Anyone wanna take bets that LEO's will be exempted?
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Nope. The LEO exemption is already written into the "UNSAFE HANDGUNS" code:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=12001-13000&file=12125-12133

12125. (a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who
manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state
for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends
any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county
jail not exceeding one year.
(b) This section shall not apply to any of the following:

...

4) The sale or purchase of any pistol, revolver or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person, if the pistol, revolver,
or other firearm is sold to, or purchased by, the Department of
Justice, any police department, any sheriff's official, any marshal's
office, the Youth and Adult Correctional Agency, the California
Highway Patrol, any district attorney's office, or the military or
naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the
discharge of their official duties. Nor shall anything in this
section prohibit the sale to, or purchase by, sworn members of these
agencies of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being
concealed upon the person.

...

12126. As used in this chapter, "unsafe handgun" means any pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 12001, for which any
of the following is true:

...

(b) For a pistol:

...
{currently pending amendment - redhawk41}
(7) Commencing January 1, 2009, for all semiautomatic pistols that
are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 12131, it
is not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters
that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol,
etched into or otherwise imprinted onto
the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and
which are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the
firearm is fired , and further provided that a technology to
create the imprint, if reliant upon a patent, is available to more
than one manufacturer. A method of equal or greater reliability and
effectiveness in identifying ammunition fired from a firearm than
that which is set forth in this paragraph, via an imprint on a
cartridge may also be approved by the Attorney General and thereafter
required as otherwise set forth by this paragraph. Approval by the
Attorney General shall include notice of that fact via regulations
adopted by the Attorney General for purposes of implementing that
method for purposes of this section.
 
This will put High-Point out of business. Aren't they based in california? If Ruger has said it will require a re-tooling and re-planning of their entire production facilities, it would be doubly or triply so for a low end manufacturer like high point. Those guys slap together whatever they have on hand and send it out the door as quick as possible. Their production facilities practically assume that half of their guns will be back for warranty work, and that a 3-minute exchange of parts is all that is needed to send the gun back out the door. That's the only way to make a buck when your guns sell for under $150. If re-etching and logging and registration of all parts is going to be mandatory for them, their guns are now going to be in the $300+ range. $300+ for a stinking High Point.

This will also make the MechTech 1911 and glock uppers unavailable in CA.

If I were in CA right now, I'd be ordering a complete new Caspian slide for my 1911 and Glock21 with firing pins/springs/barrels/extractors, and replacement firing pins and extractors for every gun I had right now. Also a spare complete bolt assembly for my M1A.

This is the final curve, boys and girls. The home stretch is just ahead. It's coming in the next 5 years, and it's gonna start with a statewide ban on semiauto handguns and rifles, in CA.
 
This will put High-Point out of business.
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They just won't sell to California. Just like some other manufacturers won't. Hopefully, American manufacturers will boycott CA, including sales to LEAs.
 
It seems to me that the pushing of this law, could work to the advantage of a clever defense lawyer. If current "ballastic fingerprinting technology" is good enough for convictions, wouldn't this BS theory throw the veracity of those convictions out? It seems as this would open the door the same as DNA testing has.

Or get a revolver or shotgun.
 
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