Mary Lou Sapone, 2nd A heroine.
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Not that much. Handguns, rifles etc, all existed at the time of our nations founding. SO did gun violence. The fact is the British armies weapons far outclassed ours, yet they still won.
Dont put words in my mouth. I dont expect to be the one, in fact I doubt anyone will have to revolt in my lifetime. Then again I dont ever expect my house to catch on fire either, but I still carry fire insurance.
I hear that argument a lot. Of course I never hear any good reason (or to be blunt even bad ones) why this would be so, other than someones "assurance" it is.
People are no different now, than they were 100, 200, or 10,000 years ago. Thye human animal has not changed, andwe are exactly the same as we were then. Every problem that exists now, existed then in some form, every danger to society thate xisted then, is still extent now.
Actually chemical wepons date back millenia, in various forms, and were used by armies before the war of independance.
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More to the point, theatres as diverse as Afghanistan in the 80s, Iraq today, and many, many others have shown that an insurgency, backed by popular sentitment, is still able to challenge and in som cases defeat an modern army. Are you hoenstly saying you dont think Americans could do at least as well as the VC, or AQI, on our own soil?
Again, people havn't changed, just the tools we use.
Tennessee Gentleman said:
Ok I'll take you at your word and I sincerely apologize again for everything of a personal nature, most especially the remarks I made on the Joe Horn thread.
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I also am not in a militia, nor have I ever been.
Let us now put any personal animosity aside and as we engage in these debates strive to keep them friendly and a good reflection on gun owners.
P.s. Stagger Lee if you are reading this I also apologize to you for saying your views were in league with the antis.
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Agreed. This will be better for us all.
Stagger Lee
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OK, once again, I got here late and missed the finale.
Nate45, apology accepted.
But for the record, I think I'm going to like S832.
Nate45, apology accepted.
But for the record, I think I'm going to like S832.
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S832,
Just wanted to let you know you are not alone on your views. It might seem that way from the heat you are getting but most of America is with you on this. Don't worry about the heat though it is mostly wind.
Nevertheless, I do endorse diligent political vigilance because power must always be watched. I am a NRA member even though I may not agree with them on everything I know I will benefit from their work generally.
I do not support their hiring a spy to infiltrate the Brady Campaign and wish they hadn't done it. Whatever, gossip or useless intell they may have gotten will be small compared to the bad PR they will get from sending in the spy. I doubt she was able to give them much but they paid her a lot! Waste of money.
Just wanted to let you know you are not alone on your views. It might seem that way from the heat you are getting but most of America is with you on this. Don't worry about the heat though it is mostly wind.
Nevertheless, I do endorse diligent political vigilance because power must always be watched. I am a NRA member even though I may not agree with them on everything I know I will benefit from their work generally.
I do not support their hiring a spy to infiltrate the Brady Campaign and wish they hadn't done it. Whatever, gossip or useless intell they may have gotten will be small compared to the bad PR they will get from sending in the spy. I doubt she was able to give them much but they paid her a lot! Waste of money.
Yea, I know. I just feel gun rights groups do more harm then good when they start talking about how they need RPG launchers.
We aren't going to get the 86 registry re-opened by saying we need machine guns to take down the government.
Regarding the spy, I think it was stupid and gave the "antis" an example to use on how "gun people" are "crazy".
We aren't going to get the 86 registry re-opened by saying we need machine guns to take down the government.
Regarding the spy, I think it was stupid and gave the "antis" an example to use on how "gun people" are "crazy".
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I guess they really don't care and are totally convinced they are right. However, if they only knew how many people (even gun owners) would oppose that stuff I think it might give them pause. I wish we could concentrate on the real dangers without all this "overthrow the tyrannical government stuff" The American People aren't buying it and meanwhile we'll get another AWB or lose CCW.
We have met the enemy and he is us!
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No, but that's only because the people who fantasize about it change the dynamic and pretend that they're the victims of a tyrannical government that's out to get them, and they're therefore "defending themselves" and only killing in retaliation. But it's still evident in the claims that we supposedly need military arms to protect ourselves against the United States and/or local government. Not foreign invaders or criminals, but our own fellow citizens, and elected officials, police officers or military members.
To return to the main point of this thread, I don't see anything particularly wrong with what Sapone did, and, in fact, I'd consider it LESS repugnant than the anti-gunners setting up a "shell" group that claims to support the 2nd Amendment, but actually supports every "gun control" law that is proposed (such as "Americans for Gun Safety", and the "American Hunters and Shooters Association", two groups that were set up specifically for that purpose).
Where did anyone in this thread say that? Can you quote it please, becasue while I may be mistaken I dont recall anyone else mentioning rocket launchers.
Actually, technically you are, and probably have been for years. As the founding fathers defined the word, the militia was essentially all able bodied men between certain ages, I beleive something like 18-45 or so. Given our views on sexual equality in America, we have to logically extend the defintion to include women of the same age groups. There fore every man and woman in America, with a very few exceptions, are in fact "the militia".
Ill ask you the same thing I asked S832, can you show anyone in this thread other than yourselves mentioning rocket launchers?
Because if not you are both arguing strawmen, which is not only decietful and dishonest, but completly ungentlemanly.
Unfortunately this "overthrow tyrannical governments stuff" Is the very constitutional basis for the RKBA. The federalist papers, which were a series of documents written by the FF in order to communicate to the public what rights where being guaranteed and why, state so specifically. The men who wrote the constitution and the Bill of rights gave us the second amendment specifically for this purpose. Not for hunting, or even personal self defense, but national defense from enemies both foreign and domestic.
It has, with a few isolated exceptions, not been necessary for the American people to exercise thier RKBA for the purpose it was originally granted, but that does not mean it will never be so. Again, much like insurance, you carry in the hopes of never needing it, yet secure in the knowledge that if you do, its there.
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