manual safety is unnecessary?
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I'll share an anecdotal story about a Glock and an AD.
About 3 years ago I worked for the Fed Gov't as a defense contractor and had an office in the basement of an ancient GSA building that housed several different Federal tenants one of which was the Federal Marshals office.
On day a Fed Mashall with decades of experience carrying a weapon decided he needed to drop a deuce and in so doing he somehow shot himself in the wrist. I have no idea how it happened but I saw him being wheeled out on a gurney.
The funny thing was, I was in the office next door and didn't hear a thing however it was in the basement of a 1950s Gov't building which I guess could account for that.
Anyway, the takeaway I got from this is never be cocked while you are dumping a load.
About 3 years ago I worked for the Fed Gov't as a defense contractor and had an office in the basement of an ancient GSA building that housed several different Federal tenants one of which was the Federal Marshals office.
On day a Fed Mashall with decades of experience carrying a weapon decided he needed to drop a deuce and in so doing he somehow shot himself in the wrist. I have no idea how it happened but I saw him being wheeled out on a gurney.
The funny thing was, I was in the office next door and didn't hear a thing however it was in the basement of a 1950s Gov't building which I guess could account for that.
Anyway, the takeaway I got from this is never be cocked while you are dumping a load.
I see...
I always jokingly refer to myself as a dinosaur, but I guess it really is true. My carry is a 1910 Browning .380, which is the only striker fired pistol I consider safe to carry with round in the chamber (other than the "Triple Securite" FN 1905 and the Colt 1908 .25s). The manual safety blocks the grip safety which, in turn, physically blocks the sear. So, barring a catastrophic metal failure of the striker, the pistol has always been very safe to carry loaded.
I guess, since I have been carrying that particular pistol for so many years, it has become a part of me like my watch, for example.
I don’t carry that way at all. I also am not advocating it. I’m just asking why it would be insanity when there are thousands of safetyless pistols carried cocked without manual safeties every day and the prevailing mindset is the safety is between your ears. It seems to me a cocked and unlocked pistol with a grip safety would be safer than a safetyless striker fired pistol in the context of accidentally pulling the trigger when you don’t really want to.Ocraknife said:
my question still stands...
If the unlocked 1911 is in a holster, its no different than anything else without a manual safety. I used to find my Commanders thumb safety off at the end of the day quite often, as it had been knocked off during the day. Never was a problem.
The difference comes when you go holsterless. Id much rather carry a Glock sans holster, than an unlocked 1911.
The difference comes when you go holsterless. Id much rather carry a Glock sans holster, than an unlocked 1911.
your correct. To clarify I’m only talking about in the holster. Once the gun is in the hand since its the same as any other safetyless gun its no more or less dangerous.AK103K said:
I didn’t say you did. I was only referencing your comment simply to add to the idea that James K was stating. My apologies if it came across wrong my question was directed at James or anyone who feels the same as his statement.Ocraknife said:
Fair enough, that makes a lot of sense. The main thing is that you weren't uncomfortable carrying cocked and unlocked. I understand that totally especially with highly trained folks, I'm just not that guy - yet
That said, I'd be curious though about how my gun went from safe to fire without my knowledge. That would concern me.
My bad. Sorry about that.If its already in the holster, its not a problem. If its going into the holster, and there might be something in the way that could snag the trigger, then it could be an issue.
In my case, it was getting knocked off during the day, during my daily activities. I work physically outdoors, and these things happen. Didnt seem to matter what holster I was using either. I used holsters with and without a sweat guard, and it happened with both.
In my case, it was getting knocked off during the day, during my daily activities. I work physically outdoors, and these things happen. Didnt seem to matter what holster I was using either. I used holsters with and without a sweat guard, and it happened with both.
well thats interesting then. My first thought was the holster but you said it happened with different ones maybe it was the gun? No worries its a side topic lets not thread drift, just interesting. (I once had a holster that would depress the magazine on a 92FS... ) thanks for supporting my point BTW.
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