Can't compare a revolver to a semi
Sure you can. They are all firearms and they can all hurt/kill you.
12 pound pull be 5.5? Does a revolver manual tell you that the holster must cover the trigger guard, as Glocks does?
You'll have to show me where Glock says that in their manual. I dont seem to be able to find it in any of mine.
I have zero issue with sticking a revolver in my waist band( not that I would, but I wouldn't be nervous about it).
You obviously have no experience with a Glock.
Im really not a fan of sticking anything in my waistband, pocket, etc, without a holster, but I have done it at some point and with most things, including Glocks. With the Glocks, I spent over a year purposely doing it, trying to get an idea what it would take to be an issue. It never was. I never got the trigger to drop without me intentionally pulling it, and that was doing things Im sure would horrify you.
Yes, a child finding a revolver can easily fire the weapon, but that's because they have no idea about guns. Matter of fact, I'm a big revolver guy. I used to carry a model 36. I was putting it away once when my son (3 at the time) asked to see it. I believe in taking away the mystery so they don't seek out what you don't want them to have, so I unloaded it and gave it to him, cylinder open. He took it, closed the cylinder, cocked the hammer, pulled the trigger, and said "I killed the dinosaur". I was shocked. I had never taught him ANY of that. He probably learned it on tv. Or maybe older kids at pre-school. So the revolver was retired for carry. As I said, I'm super careful about guns, but I know anybody can have a brain fart. So I just felt better getting a gun with that extra layer of security in case I put it down for a second before locking it up.
You have been all over the map in this thread trying to be right. In the last paragraph, revolvers were totally safe, yet in this one, a 3 year old just handled one like a pro, and if it had been loaded, would have fired it. Which pretty much nullifies most of your arguments.
My issue with safeties is I see nearly all benefits and really no drawbacks. To me, disengaging them is intuitive. I've never had them be on when I didn't want them to be. I acknowledge that in a dire emergency, they COULD be a problem, but the benefits outweigh the drawbacks, IMO. Negligent discharges, including by people who have formal training, do happen. Safeties have prevente some of them. I'm still waiting for one where somebody got a click instead of a bang and was killed or injured by one.
While disengaging the safety is normally intuitive, with practice, if youve never had one be on when you expected it off, or vice versa, then I have to assume you havent handled the gun much. It happens to the best of us, when youre constantly using the gun. Believe it or dont, it even happens with Glocks.
Negligent discharges are just that, and happens to anyone being negligent, and/or lacking training. They can happen to the best of us too, extra safeties on the gun or not.
As far as the click vs bang thing, you answer your own question, every time you tell us they have saved lives when the gun was taken away from one, and didnt fire because the safety was on when they tried to shoot who they took the gun from.
And if these highly trained competitors in shooting games, people who shoot a lot, can't train themselves to sweep off on the draw and on when they holster, than I question their level of ability. Unless the holster somehow disengaged it, in which case it's time for a new holster. Holstering a cocked 1911 with safety off? Really? Clearly the 1911 is not for them. Failing to decock a a TDA semi auto and sticking in in a holster? Are you serious? People who do that should ditch the guns and get some pepper spray. Who hear forgets to press the brake pedal before shifting into gear? Me neither. Why is that? Could it be it is just natural after so many repetitions? I'm sure we've all driven in stressful situations. Why didn't we forget how to shift gears in a manual transmission, or where the blinkers and headlight controls are?
Im really becoming convinced you dont have much time around guns being handled constantly and realistically.
Anyone who shoots all the time, especially in practice from a holster, has had the safety missed on a draw, or left off on a reholster. Ive had it happen, and a few more times than once over the years, and I still practice nearly every day. Ive seen people of all levels do it as well. Anyone insisting that it can't happen to them, is full of it.
I carried a 1911 daily for over 25 years, and even with "good" holsters, I constantly found the thumb safety off, in the holster, at the end of the day. Its just the nature of the beast. No big deal, but it is what it is.
Just because a gun has an extra manual safety or two, doesn't mean you stop treating it like a loaded gun, with all the safeties off.