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I'm not so sure of this...
It seems to me the "screaming" (or screeching) for new laws seems to come, a lot more often, from "them" than from us...
Otherwise I agree... it's a "good point".
Agreed... and this idea was abused in the days of poll taxes and literacy tests for voters in the "old" south...
It was the wet dream of the KKK.
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And their IQs? Or perhaps you don't have that data because it's usually confidential unless released by the individual in question. Unless you have some actual hard evidence to suggest that any of those individuals has a lower IQ than you I suggest you stop making up lists of people you disagree with.
ooo, look what i found! http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A37397-2000Mar18
Are we simply going to suggest that the Washington Post was lying to make Gore look like the better candidate or do you want to fork over your scores.
Screeching
Yes, Redworm, it does come more from them than from us. But there are people on "our" side who do some screeching of their own. They just usually get ignored by the media.
Most of our screeching is more like "they ought to repeal the law", and while I agree wholeheartedly (there should be no laws against property, only against acts), the reality is that do undo bad laws is an uphill struggle.
And as far as I.Q. tests, or minimums, just where would you set the number? Reality is, it isn't the IQ number, "stupid is as stupid does".
Any limits you might wish to set, can, and will, be abused at some point, somewhere, by someone. Such is the nature of man.
It is not a great step from "people must meet the criteria" in order to vote, to "people must agree with me" in order to vote. And we must be ever vigilant against allowing any individuals from any side to take that step. Because it is indeed, a slippery slope. And at the bottom waits a king. Or a Fuhrer, a Chairman, or a Premier, a Czar, or a Kahn, or any of a dozen other titles that all mean the same thing.
Remember, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics had "free" elections. Only Communist party members were allowed to vote, and there was only one candidate for each position, but they had "free" elections! So be careful what restriction you would propose, because even though emotionally satisfying, they may not be in our best interests in the long run.
Yes, Redworm, it does come more from them than from us. But there are people on "our" side who do some screeching of their own. They just usually get ignored by the media.
Most of our screeching is more like "they ought to repeal the law", and while I agree wholeheartedly (there should be no laws against property, only against acts), the reality is that do undo bad laws is an uphill struggle.
And as far as I.Q. tests, or minimums, just where would you set the number? Reality is, it isn't the IQ number, "stupid is as stupid does".
Any limits you might wish to set, can, and will, be abused at some point, somewhere, by someone. Such is the nature of man.
It is not a great step from "people must meet the criteria" in order to vote, to "people must agree with me" in order to vote. And we must be ever vigilant against allowing any individuals from any side to take that step. Because it is indeed, a slippery slope. And at the bottom waits a king. Or a Fuhrer, a Chairman, or a Premier, a Czar, or a Kahn, or any of a dozen other titles that all mean the same thing.
Remember, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics had "free" elections. Only Communist party members were allowed to vote, and there was only one candidate for each position, but they had "free" elections! So be careful what restriction you would propose, because even though emotionally satisfying, they may not be in our best interests in the long run.
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Then he came to Gore's results in IQ tests taken in 1961 and 1964, at the beginning of his freshman and senior years. "One thirty-three and 134. Absolutely superb. That means tremendous ability."
Is that all? My IQ is higher than that.
Stupid is as stupid does. That makes more sense than anything Gore has ever said. Wisdom goes much further than intellect. That man is sorely lacking in that department. I believe that he hasn't the slightest grasp of science, beyond about HS physics and chemistry. Political science is equivalent to military intelligence. It just isn't. If he even had a rudimentary understanding of how things operate in the principles of thermodynamics. He would quit making a fool of himself with global warming. There are forces at work, in regard to the climate of this planet, that are several orders of magnitude greater than man and his little smoke machines.
Gore is just smart enough to get himself, along with the rest of us, into a problem that he has yet to comprehend the solution to.
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Then he came to Gore's results in IQ tests taken in 1961 and 1964, at the beginning of his freshman and senior years. "One thirty-three and 134. Absolutely superb. That means tremendous ability."
Is that all? My IQ is higher than that.
Stupid is as stupid does. That makes more sense than anything Gore has ever said. Wisdom goes much further than intellect. That man is sorely lacking in that department. I believe that he hasn't the slightest grasp of science, beyond about HS physics and chemistry. Political science is equivalent to military intelligence. It just isn't. If he even had a rudimentary understanding of how things operate in the principles of thermodynamics. He would quit making a fool of himself with global warming. There are forces at work, in regard to the climate of this planet, that are several orders of magnitude greater than man and his little smoke machines.
Gore is just smart enough to get himself, along with the rest of us, into a problem that he has yet to comprehend the solution to.
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"Is that all?" is all you have to say to somebody who is smarter than 97.5% of the population?
I'm sorry, but I have a great deal of respect for Mr. Gore regardless of whether I agree with every single one of his policy preferences. If you would actually watch An Inconvenient Truth, you would get to see him systematically disable basically every argument skeptics can throw out. One of the points he stresses is that popular media may question global warming, but one would be hard pressed to find a peer-reviewed article questioning it.
So yeah, those were two points I just felt like making. While everybody on the Internet gets to proclaim themselves a genius, in the real world high IQs like that are hard to come by. And likewise, Gore isn't exactly skating on thin ice with global warming.
I'm sorry, but I have a great deal of respect for Mr. Gore regardless of whether I agree with every single one of his policy preferences. If you would actually watch An Inconvenient Truth, you would get to see him systematically disable basically every argument skeptics can throw out. One of the points he stresses is that popular media may question global warming, but one would be hard pressed to find a peer-reviewed article questioning it.
So yeah, those were two points I just felt like making. While everybody on the Internet gets to proclaim themselves a genius, in the real world high IQs like that are hard to come by. And likewise, Gore isn't exactly skating on thin ice with global warming.
Yeah baby!
To my feeble 160... it seems that wisdom matters FAR, FAR more than intellect...
Intellect is just a tool to access wisdom... it is absolutely useless for anything else...
HOWEVER...
On the global warming thing...
The magnitude of the natural cycle of ice ages and global warming, is so vast... that it is very difficult to believe that ANYTHING puny man can do with his puny efforts to pollute, OR TO CLEAN UP, the atmosphere and thereby accellerate, OR DELAY, the natural cycle is MOSTLY moot...
We cannot, as yet, "manage" the world on that scale...
We can, however, make an admirable effort to improve our environs... but we should keep a firm grasp on reality (wisdom) while we are going it...
Like most Left Wing Liberals...Al Gore doesn't recognize reality as a factor in his "screeching"... witness; HIS creation of the internet...
At best, this kind of Gore-blunder can only be explained away as "wish-think".
Troponin
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That speaks volumes...
BTW...IMO, John Kerry and Ms Heinz belong on the above list... notwithstanding their great wisdom and stellar achievements...
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"Shouldn't it be a law that when people to go vote, they must give atleast 5-10 views that they share with the candidate they are voting for?"
No.
It's called a secret ballot for a reason.
It's no one else's business why I'm voting for the candidate I do.
I have no obligation to defend or justify my choice to anyone.
No.
It's called a secret ballot for a reason.
It's no one else's business why I'm voting for the candidate I do.
I have no obligation to defend or justify my choice to anyone.
You're smarter than 90% of the population? Because that's what an IQ above 130 means. If so, congratulations. Who did your test?
But regardless of your score it doesn't mean that Gore belongs on any list of low IQs. He obviously has a higher IQ than a great majority of the populations and regardless of what y'all think qualifies as wisdom many others don't seem to believe he lacks it. Just because you and others don't believe he has wisdom doesn't make you right. At the end of the day all we have to go on is numbers and history; his numbers are high, he did fairly well in school and he's achieved something not a single one of us can claim.
Slugthrower
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Interesting that Gore is the largest stock holder of Occidental Oil. That is very hypocritical, for a person that supposedly has such great concern for the environment. That is an inconvenient truth.
Interesting that the Kennedy clan's riches came from illegal drug running on the part of Joseph Kennedy. Prohibition made them rich. Another inconvenient truth.
Senator Robert Byrd of the Democratic party is a former high level member of the KKK. Yet another truth that is inconvenient.
Double standards are not a way to lead. Lead by example. Nevermind that they are representatives and not leaders.
Should you really trust any party on any side? Dig deep enough and you will find many disturbing facts. All of these folks need the boot. I have no illusions about what politicians are about. They are more for themselves than the general welfare of the nation. We have nothing but choices that are pitiful, on both sides. Be sure that they will lie in order to secure their future. Nothing is sacred to politicians, especially freedom and truth.
When double speak is the word of the day, they need a hexaform torsion fastening implement tossed into the mechanical works. Unless you like them to throw wooden shoes into our machine first.
Interesting that the Kennedy clan's riches came from illegal drug running on the part of Joseph Kennedy. Prohibition made them rich. Another inconvenient truth.
Senator Robert Byrd of the Democratic party is a former high level member of the KKK. Yet another truth that is inconvenient.
Double standards are not a way to lead. Lead by example. Nevermind that they are representatives and not leaders.
Should you really trust any party on any side? Dig deep enough and you will find many disturbing facts. All of these folks need the boot. I have no illusions about what politicians are about. They are more for themselves than the general welfare of the nation. We have nothing but choices that are pitiful, on both sides. Be sure that they will lie in order to secure their future. Nothing is sacred to politicians, especially freedom and truth.
When double speak is the word of the day, they need a hexaform torsion fastening implement tossed into the mechanical works. Unless you like them to throw wooden shoes into our machine first.
Or perhaps you, like everyone else that actually believes he claimed that, have never heard the actual comment made and don't know that it was taken completely out of context? Because if you're seriously harping on him for that then you're only making a fool of yourself
So? Jealous? Bottom line is he was VP of the most powerful nation on the planet; none of us can claim that. If anyone wants to offer up proof that they have a higher IQ than Gore or any other politician on that list up there, go right ahead. If you're gonna claim that your IQ ranks above more than 90% of the population, go right ahead. Anyone here have a Mensa membership? Maybe you don't think they're that hard to get. Hell, I personally know three very famous porn stars that are card-carrying members. But then again they run multi-million dollar companies so perhaps they're a lot smarter than those of us living paycheck to paycheck.
Bottom line: if you're going to claim a politician is stupid because you don't agree with them then you damn well better be up to the challenge of proving your claims.
Going back to the original point of the thread, this is another example of "common sense" being neither. Some people believe that those who have different views lack "wisdom" or "common sense" when the very idea of falsly accusing an individual of having a low IQ simply because they have a different set of beliefs is as assanine as it gets.
As I said before:
Worry about your own intelligence before childishly attacking someone else's.Redworm said:
I missed this earlier but:
Care to cite examples of this happening?
DonR101395
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Like you always say, Can you back that up or is it just your opinion?
Because you can't prove it. Yet will you still keep claiming that Gore and other Democrats have a low IQ because you don't agree with them? Wanna fork over your IQ scores? How about your degrees? Papers you've published?
Pulled troops from Afghanistan where a real threat was located to attack a country that was little threat to us. Used a ridiculously low number of troops. Thought "stay the course" was a valid strategy then lied about never saying that in the first place. Stupid: check.
Only Congress can declare war. Resolution was as shady and contrary to the Constitution as Illinois prohibiting concealed carry. Broke international laws in both the invasion and the occupation and in torturing prisoners. Illegal: check.
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