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Lou Dobbs: Give it a rest, Mr. President
- Thread starter Martyn4802
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Please post a REAL example of this.
OK,
http://www.infowars.net/articles/march2007/190307Bush-Whacked.htm
Notice that there is one more in addition to the Sipes case in this article. I just was this agent on TV. All he did was hold down a bad guy using his foot. These are two cases in addition to the one you refer to.
These instances are very easy to find.
Now when our agents face rock throwing at close range they just hold up their hands to try and block the flying rocks. They know if they protect themselves they will be open to prosecution themselves.
Added. Sipes did just recently win in court to get his job and back pay back for FALSE conviction.
http://lonestartimes.com/2007/06/19/border-patrol-agent-wins-job-and-back-pay-case/
The REAL truth is out there...just use the search function....not hard at all. Took me five minutes.
1. The President is not shutting down the border because that will shut down the food industry of many states and literally end vegetable produce from the west coast... We will have to import nearly 100% of fruit and vegetables within months of shutting off the border... Food costs will explode which is political suicide if you are the political party that caused it...
To get our spoiled americans to do the back breaking stoop labor the mexicans perform for a few dollars an hour will require $20 per hour, or more...
2. The President is not shutting down the border because the congress <both parties and both houses> do not want it shut down... See #1 for reason...
3. The President is not shutting down the border because the american people do not want their fruit and vegetable costs to jump up 4 to 10 times todays price..
Of course "we" want the border secured, but not if we have to lift a finger or pay a penny more... We are rapidly becoming what the Roman Empire was like as it crumpled from disastrous foreign wars, crushing public debt, and citizens who believed they were "entitled" to benefits and a comfortable life without any effort on their part...
denny
To get our spoiled americans to do the back breaking stoop labor the mexicans perform for a few dollars an hour will require $20 per hour, or more...
2. The President is not shutting down the border because the congress <both parties and both houses> do not want it shut down... See #1 for reason...
3. The President is not shutting down the border because the american people do not want their fruit and vegetable costs to jump up 4 to 10 times todays price..
Of course "we" want the border secured, but not if we have to lift a finger or pay a penny more... We are rapidly becoming what the Roman Empire was like as it crumpled from disastrous foreign wars, crushing public debt, and citizens who believed they were "entitled" to benefits and a comfortable life without any effort on their part...
denny
LightningJoe
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I don't eat fruits or vegetables. Why should I subsidize you people? Eat Pop-Tarts if you want fruit.
I don't either. It's not about the price of oranges....it's about security. Anyway, we pay a lot more for the illegal pickers health care than we save in the prices at the food market.
Not even liberals are going to say don't secure the border so we can have low prices on fruit.
Not even liberals are going to say don't secure the border so we can have low prices on fruit.
Wish it were that simple but sorry,no.The President is not shutting down the border because that will shut down the food industry of many states and literally end vegetable produce from the west coast... We will have to import nearly 100% of fruit and vegetables within months of shutting off the border... Food costs will explode which is political suicide if you are the political party that caused it...
Everything Bush needs to know about his right to protect the borders of this country. The only thing lacking is his will to do the job.
Article IV of the Constitution of the United States
Section 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Presidential oath of office
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Article IV of the Constitution of the United States
Section 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Presidential oath of office
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.
LightningJoe
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Maybe I'm a little slow, but I sense a trend here. You don't think Bush is doing a good job, is that right?
Well, I guess by his standards, there isn't much difference between most Americans and most Mexicans. So, maybe he can't see the harm in putting them all in a box and shaking them up. You might see yourself as an American with a unique heritage and who has inherited certain birthright things that you don't have to hand over to people from a different country, but to a lot of our elites, that's all ancient history.
It's an inherently unconservative idea to believe that this is Year One and that all that stuff that happened up to now just doesn't matter and that we can just reorganize everything to make it work better. But you can't just mix up a bunch of Americans and a bunch of Mexicans and get a functioning whole. At the end of that process, you're going to have a bunch of Americans and a bunch of Mexicans without a border between them. Very volatile. Plus the Mexicans will be able to write themselves checks from the Americans' bank accounts.
Well, I guess by his standards, there isn't much difference between most Americans and most Mexicans. So, maybe he can't see the harm in putting them all in a box and shaking them up. You might see yourself as an American with a unique heritage and who has inherited certain birthright things that you don't have to hand over to people from a different country, but to a lot of our elites, that's all ancient history.
It's an inherently unconservative idea to believe that this is Year One and that all that stuff that happened up to now just doesn't matter and that we can just reorganize everything to make it work better. But you can't just mix up a bunch of Americans and a bunch of Mexicans and get a functioning whole. At the end of that process, you're going to have a bunch of Americans and a bunch of Mexicans without a border between them. Very volatile. Plus the Mexicans will be able to write themselves checks from the Americans' bank accounts.
Maybe I'm a little slow, but I sense a trend here. You don't think Bush is doing a good job, is that right?
Agreed, but I feel many think it is more than not doing his job. We feel he is not doing his job by design. That is, he planned not to enforce the border. First reason is his personal view that everyone that comes across is just some poor illegal looking to support their family....no security issues. Second he knows his best chance of passing the Bush-Kennedy immigration bill is to use it as a bargaining chip. You know, pass our bill or we will not give you the border security that you already have a right to.
LightningJoe
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Border security could mean something like the ability to stop mass invasions of tanks, soldiers, and artillery. Bush and company don't think we need that with Mexico and they're right.
Or border security could mean the ability to interdict the flow of contraband. Every administration since Moses has been trying to do that on the Mexican border and has had incomplete success.
Or border security could mean stopping gigantic numbers of foreign nationals from coming across and doing whatever they want to do without supervision or restraint. Every administration just hasn't seen the point and has wished we'd stop bothering them about that. Bush is as bad as any of them on that point, but more brazen.
Or border security could mean the ability to interdict small groups of foreign nationals who want to sneak across the border over land to avoid the scrutiny of law enforcement because they intend to carry out terrorist acts. To have very much of this kind of border security might not be practicable judging from the success of generations of efforts to keep smugglers from moving large quantities of contraband across the border.
We might have a right to border security, but it's not going to be easy. Nobody's ever done it before. There's a long history of political, ethnic, racial, and philosophical issues that tie up the federal government on the subject of Mexico. Those aren't going to go away, so I guess we'll never have the kind of bank vault border security that would be needed to stop Mohammed Dynamite from sneaking across the border.
At the moment, I'd be happy just to see a halt to the population migration from Central and South America.
Or border security could mean the ability to interdict the flow of contraband. Every administration since Moses has been trying to do that on the Mexican border and has had incomplete success.
Or border security could mean stopping gigantic numbers of foreign nationals from coming across and doing whatever they want to do without supervision or restraint. Every administration just hasn't seen the point and has wished we'd stop bothering them about that. Bush is as bad as any of them on that point, but more brazen.
Or border security could mean the ability to interdict small groups of foreign nationals who want to sneak across the border over land to avoid the scrutiny of law enforcement because they intend to carry out terrorist acts. To have very much of this kind of border security might not be practicable judging from the success of generations of efforts to keep smugglers from moving large quantities of contraband across the border.
We might have a right to border security, but it's not going to be easy. Nobody's ever done it before. There's a long history of political, ethnic, racial, and philosophical issues that tie up the federal government on the subject of Mexico. Those aren't going to go away, so I guess we'll never have the kind of bank vault border security that would be needed to stop Mohammed Dynamite from sneaking across the border.
At the moment, I'd be happy just to see a halt to the population migration from Central and South America.