LCP defense ammo?

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Mosin44az

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What defense/ JHP ammo do people use in their LCPs? Any recommendations?

I just got some Norma 85 grain MHP at a great price but didn’t look at the specs first. Concerned that it may be too hot, at 303 ft/lbs and 1285 fps. Anyone shoot this ammo, particularly in their LCP or other.380 pistol?

Thanks for all info
 
For 380, the only rounds i would trust would be the hornady critical defense, or critical duty. It is more likely to expand than a traditional hollow point. But wont under penetrate like a traditional hollow point.
 
XTP is the talked about "best." I think Fiocchi is better than Precision One based on how Precision One does with other of their loads (ie, they aren't a top brand).

However, I think the new Federal DEEP will be the gold standard in the future. It's not skived but folded over copper with a spire point lead base inside. From what I've seen it does 14" full expansion making it as good as old 9mm, sometimes better. Zero feed issues for me in my gen2 LCP and is what I carry. I have boxes of Gold Dot (too shallow), Lehigh penetrators (I wonder about the real affect of the spin, old Hydra with post (too shallow), Fiocchi fake hollow point Mamba, HST (too shallow) and previous always carried Fiocchi XTP.

This stuff is just different. The copper folds acts as the pedals without the bonded plug for the normal 380 look:

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I like Remington Golden Sabers, the bullet has a similar shape to a round nose fmj so they feed flawlessly. Golden Sabers also expand as good as you could hope for in a .380
 
Thanks for the replies. Curious if the specs for your choices come close to those I cite above for the Norma. Might give a clue as to felt recoil and function in mine.
 
The critical defense ran well in my bersa years back, as well as a friends lcp. They didnt feel overly snappy in either gun. And i feel they have reliable expansion paired with good penetration. Hop on youtube. You will find plenty of gel tests and reviews.
 
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Norma will always have high FPS because they test at long barrels. Like 6" for a 9mm round. What in the world reason is a 6" barrel used to make 9mm FPS?

Betcha that is where the magic comes from.

When LCP barrel is half the length of a probably 6" test barrel...there you go. Normal powered round.
 
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I tried but didnt see the norma test barrel length on the mono round.

On plus p, it is wrong to make something up and claim to know what you are doing. There is no plus p 380. My lcp is specd to real ratings. Not made up. Nor is glock. Neither proof barrels at made up ratings. It is not a soap box, underwood is being something not good...
 
380acp is where serious compromises start kicking in, hard. Aggressive expansion may mean insufficient penetration. But it still seems to make surprisingly little difference in effectiveness, relative to larger service rounds. If the bullets go through something sufficiently vital, they appear to work.

That Norma load looks respectable, based on this youtube vid (but velocity was around 990fps): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvvx9NP8wEE I'd personally still want to research it a bit more before relying on it, but it does seem interesting.

I personally carry non-expanding rounds in 380, to ensure adequate penetration. Usually this means the Underwood xtreme defender +p. Or, for a more conventional, softer-shooting (and much, much cheaper) load, the Sinterfire 75gr NXG solid copper flat nose.
 
Hornady critical duty ammunition is as I understand it, for duty-size pistols with 4” barrels and is designed to penetrate barriers such as auto glass and still expand when it hits a soft target. It will not perform as advertised in short barrels like the LCP, etc. I have shot Buffalo Bore cast lead +p in my LCP and it is definitely a hot round. A noticeable difference in recoil.
 
On plus p, it is wrong to make something up and claim to know what you are doing. There is no plus p 380. My lcp is specd to real ratings. Not made up. Nor is glock. Neither proof barrels at made up ratings. It is not a soap box, underwood is being something not good...
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I'm aware there is no SAAMI spec for 380 +P, and I know Ruger does not rate the LCP for +P, hence why I recommended the standard pressure.

As far as Underwood being something "not good", I guess Buffalo Bore, Remington, Federal, and Winchester are all "not good" then too, as Buffalo Bore offers +P 380 and the others have offered 9mm in a +P+ load. But I wouldn't ever claim they don't know what they're doing. All in all, read your user manual, do your research, and make your own decisions.
 
Appreciate all the info. A bit to work through.

Interesting that lower fps for the Norma in that video, corroborates the theory about them using long barrels.

For the record, I have found Aguila JHP and Hornady American Gunner XTP to work in my LCPs, and Ammo Inc. JHP to work in my LCP Max, though it took awhile to break in. This is just for functionality, I have no idea of the effectiveness.

This caliber is relatively expensive and I haven’t found the selection to be great around Phoenix in recent years. Was thrilled at the $8.99 for 20 price of the Norma and jumped without checking as I said above. We’ll see.

I will check back in a couple of days and let everyone know my impressions of the Norma when it arrives. Thanks again for the input.
 
Hey watched that whole video, Metric, thanks for that. Encouraged that I didn’t make a big mistake. He even compared the Norma to the American Gunner XTP.
 
Plus p plus in 9mm is still within standard though. Not even close to the same thing. Using the term "P" here means Underwood is trying to be disingenuous by using a real standard while pushing a fake one. The common buyer isn't going to know they made up something let alone know that it's not safe in a LCP. I just think that's unseemly. That said, I do have a box of the Lehigh +P penetrator. Don't know why, and wouldn't buy it again. Meet a niche if you want, but don't lie about making up a standard within a real standard.

When the p3at was the only game, Cor-Bon dpx all copper was the gold standard.

I bet the Norma FPS is advertised from a full size barrel, if not a greater than full sized barrel. Can't find that info out anywhere, makes it even more likely in my mind. I bet it does okay. I bet the new Federal DEEP bests it and the best loaded Hornady.

At 9 bucks that is right now, you probably didn't do bad.

I'd say the DEEP is probably the best round because it appears to be loaded right and the folds appear, in what i've seen, to react better than a failed normal jhp.

Good luck!
 
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