Is there any PRACTICAL and effective way to persuade more 22LR?

CCI .22LR $24 for 300/pack and Blazer .22LR $33/500 at LGS. It went fast, but took all morning. The folks buying were just getting one brick, no hoarding.

Lots of comments about the $90 bricks at the gun shows. There is universal loathing for the wheeler-dealers out there, seems to be on a par with the disgust with the open-carry folks doing more harm than good.
 
Welcome to the world of "Just-in-time Inventory Control". Thanks to computerized inventory control; manufacturers, distributors, and stores do not carry anymore inventory than needed for distribution. It improves cash flow and minimizes taxes for businesses.

Not just ammo, same process holds true for food, fuel, and any retail product.

When high demand exceeds the inventory on hand, manufacturers have no reserves to meet the need.....takes time to catch up.
 
Flippers are still active in SE and E. Texas. I see their offers in all the local electronic classifieds and sometimes in multi thousand round lots. I do occasionally get some .22LR. Since 01/13 I have been able to acquire maybe 4K rounds at store prices ... box store prices. The few LGS near me have .22 but are selling at jacked up prices. Shame on 'em !
 
Flippers exist because the shooting public by and large is willing to pay 10+ cents a round for .22lr.

Retail stores are pricing it at say 5 cents a round, so it is a quick double of their money. If you don't make that much per hour, then it might be worth your time.

It isn't worth my time to try and buy 3 bricks for $75 to flip for $150.

That said...if I run out of .22lr and my buddy can't get me more, then I will be paying $50 a brick. Better to have it at 10 cents a round than not have it.
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Flippers are probably more the reason for the continued shortage of 22lr.

I've bought a few bricks of federal 22lr from a guy on a local forum back in late 2013. A week later when I was shopping at a big box store for more 22lr ammo I see the same guy there buying up his 3box limit. So he buys it at cost, then re-sells for 2-3x locally :mad:
 
I've bought a few bricks of federal 22lr from a guy on a local forum back in late 2013. A week later when I was shopping at a big box store for more 22lr ammo I see the same guy there buying up his 3box limit. So he buys it at cost, then re-sells for 2-3x locally
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So, don't buy from guys on local forums, craigslist, facebook, etc.

When the "flippers" get stuck with .22 LR that no one is buying, they'll stop snapping up everything they can get.
 
Whoever is buying it will run out of money or credit eventually and supplies will return to normal.
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Bingo. It's already happened with everything else around here. .223 has been on the shelves consistently for about a month, and had been staying on the shelves for a few days at a time before that. Handgun ammo is back to normal, as well as almost every other round. The only thing i still have trouble finding is 22LR. It will subside eventually.
 
Good point on the JIT, Rembrant.

JIT works great.

Until there's a problem in the system.

Then the ripples can be pretty severe.

Either Chevrolet or Chrysler found that out some years ago when a seemingly innocuous sub component supplier stopped production for some reason, and the one component they made was integral to every single one of their products.

Why they let themselves get boxed into that manufacturer being the only supplier of that component is beyond me.
 
SCALPERS
Not hoarders.
Scaplers are the jackass that wait to ambush the trucks at Walmart & buy up what arrives.
At our local Wally the same bunch of guys wait at 06:30 for the ammo to be put out at 0700 & it's gone by 0715.
You think maybe the Wally sporting goods clerks get a few bucks tossed at them for "service"? You betcha they do.
A way to help ease this would be to complain like hell to the Wally manager to set out ammo that comes in at 0400 at noon instead.
Tell the scalpers the ammo will be put out at noon.
Screw them.
DON'T pay scalpers what they ask for ammo.
DON'T buy from web stores that charge $10 bucks for 50 rounds of .22 r.f. ammo.
Just don't do it.
Ammo makers ARE making all the .22 r.f. they can.
Anyone familiar with a production line knows the makers can not stop the centerfire lines just to make .22 r.f. ammo.
No maker will build a new plant just to make .22 ammo.
Exception being Norma. Norma built a plant here to make ammo but not just to satisfy the demand for r.f. stuff, they were going to build the plant anyway.
Talk to the Wally manager, take a friend with you, present a sensible argument to that person.
 
Hoarders buy & keep the ammo.
Scalpers buy ammo at retail then sell at a profit & buy the ammo
before others get an opportunity to buy it.
So your point was what?
 
Scalping ammo is impossible because there is no established price. The price is whatever any other person is willing to pay. Scalping *requires* a universal, single, established price for the item.
 
Actually I like jeager106's point. It is closer to scalping than either flipping or hoarding.

They aren't keeping, so they aren't hoarding. Flipping as far as I've seen involves real estate. Usually buying low, fix it up and sell at a price to cover fix/upgrades.

Scalping ammo is impossible because there is no established price. The price is whatever any other person is willing to pay. Scalping *requires* a universal, single, established price for the item.
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The established price is whatever the retailer marks it up to. Walmart's price will be different than your LGS based on their markup but the original price is established by the original retailer.

You are right that the street price will vary based on what the other person will pay.

But I agree with jeager106, it is very similar to scalping of tickets. Not all tickets are the same price either based on seating location or the popularity of the act presented that night. Scalping takes advantage of the very limited availability. Ticket availability is manipulated by the scalpers buying blocks of tickets using computers and multiple credit cards to capture the tickets at the very instant they become available. The window of availability to the general public is narrow, very narrow without the connections and systems the scalpers are using.

Fortunately the fix for both inflated prices and availability has already been mentioned, quit paying the scalpers inflated prices. let them get stuck with the inventory.
 
Scalping ammo is impossible because there is no established price. The price is whatever any other person is willing to pay. Scalping *requires* a universal, single, established price for the item.
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BS... there IS an established price and it's called "retail". By your definition all tickets to any concert or opera or monster truck rally fit said definition and those "users" are called "scalpers". What's the difference other than one is for entertainment and the other is for solid goods? Yes, whatever crazy prices fools are willing to pay is the market price. Scalping... flipping... screwing... who cares about the precise word used? Those "users" suck.
 
That's not an "established" price. Different retailers sell the EXACT SAME PRODUCT for different prices. There is no set or agreed upon price by anyone.

"My" definition, it's not "my" definition. It's THE definition and concerts and such are the perfect example. The tickets have a preset priced, printed right on them by the event producers and selling them for higher prices is EXACTLY the definition of Scalping.

Ordinary products do not have fixed, accepted prices. It's called Free Market Economics. The price is whatever folks will pay.

We might think resellers suck, and they are probably breaking the law by reselling without being licensed and/or collecting tax but they are NOT scalpels and more than they are astronauts. Both words have definitions that don't fit the activity.
 
What does it matter? They're taking advantage of a situation and making it worse. Why are you defending them? Do you resell?
 
I'm not "defending" anyone and, no, I have not bought .22 ammo in over a year and I have never sold any ammo of any kind. Using terms with some semblance of their actual meaning is not "defending" the person being inaccurately described by the term. If someone called a vicious dog a martian, I would not be defending the dog if I said it was NOT a martian.

However, I do defend the free market. These guys could not buy and resell if there weren't folks willing to pay the prices.

The ultimate control ALWAYS rests with the final buyer. If people stopped demanding the product at that price, it would stopped be supplied at that price and the incentive to be at the store 2 hours before they open so you can buy all the ammo would be gone. Supplies would return to the shelves, the panic buying would stop and all would be normal again.

How do I know? Because this isn't the first, second, third or even fourth time this has happened. It's not a guess. We (the gun owner community) keep doing this to ourselves over and over and then we blame everybody, ANYBODY, except the people willing to pay these stupid prices. It's insanity.
 
Just a story to ease your minds.

My daughter and her friends shot up a brick of .22LR last weekend. Some of her girlfriends had never shot handguns, so they really didn't want to quit.

I searched Midway yesterday, found another brick to replace the one they shot up yesterday. I could only buy 1 at $38.00 + $13 shipping total $52 bucks for 1 500 round brick from Midway! Oh-well, still cheap entertainment for 3 teenaged girls!

I should have ordered something else to spread out the shipping costs, but I didn't need anything else.:D
 
Wait you found a brick on Midway? pretty good.

I imagine if OEMs/major retailers raised their prices to $30 or so, demand would hit equilibrium pretty fast.
 
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