Is it time? Another ILLEGAL shoots cop

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This is just another straw that is breaking the camel's back here in this wonderful state of AZ, Phoenix area in particular, it's getting out of control with these people.

So, is it time that "We The People" take back our country, state, city?

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 
I have a question for you, not to derail your thread but an honest question. I'm planning on moving to Tucson next year. Are there more illegals and crimes associated with them in Phoenix or Tucson? It seems like Tucson is so much closer to the border, yet people always speak of Phoenix when it comes to crime in AZ.
 
Tucson has it's problems with crime but they're largely confined to specific areas within the 'city proper'. Have lived in one of the adjoining communities for 7+ years (about 20 miles north of the city limits) and crime really is not an issue.

There are several very nice indoor shooting ranges that are affordable and a very nice Trap and Skeet Club.

Great place to live IMO.
 
...it's getting out of control with these people
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Oh for christ's sake, take any group you care to name and members of that group will have committed every crime in the book. It hardly means that illegals are cop killers.

There was an article in the columbus Ohio paper today about how often mexican laborers are stiffed. Apparantly lots of sub contractors are underbidding jobs because of the lack of work since the subprime credit fiasco. Most of these workers are legal, but they are afraid to file lawsuits because of they way they get treated in the system. For every illegal that does something illegal(beyond just being here illegally) there are hundreds of illegals who are being screwed over by greedy job shoppers who take advantage.
 
I wished I could tell you if there are more or less in Phoenix, I really don't know. I think the ILLEGALS are getting radical knowing Sheriff Joe is on their trail and the Police are petitioning the Chiefs (who are pro ILLEGAL) to be able to enforce the immigration laws.

Wow, ILLEGALS getting stiffed for work they shouldn't have been doing, ILLEGALLY working in this country, I"m shocked:eek:.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 
Wow, ILLEGALS getting stiffed for work they shouldn't have been doing, ILLEGALLY working in this country, I"m shocked
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An unmentioned aspect of the dark underbelly of illegal immigration in the US is the reappearance of, what amounts to, slavery. A permanent underclass fearful of standing up for itself, suspicious of law enforcement is exploited by gangs and immoral employers.

Sorta makes one think of feudalism in the good ol' USofA.
 
So, is it time that "We The People" take back our country, state, city?
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Time for what, exactly? How do you propose going about "taking back" your country, state, city? You going to saddle up and pop a few Hispanics with the trusty .30-30?
 
It is a SIN for the most powerful country in the world to condone the farm industry use of illegal immigrants. Everyone knows where to go to see the illegals at work. Yet no one does anything because 'How would food get picked????'

1) The USA family spends WAAAYYYY less of its monthly income on food than any other wealthy country.

2) Workers in fields should be either: a) paid a decent wage (thus attracting other doemstic workers) or b) abolsihed and replaced by machinery (in short run it would be more expensive but would reduce costs over time)

3) Prices would increase, quality would increase (as it became more profitable and competition kicked in), need for government subsidies would decrease and everyone would be better off

In short, we SHOULD be paying more for our food - this artificially lowered cost of food only pushes the farms to cut costs as much as possible, which results in these crazy low-wage illegal immigrants. THEY ARE NOT NEEDED. They should get in line like everyone else

They dont pay taxes, they ship money OUT of the country instead of spending it here and they cost the taxpayers BILLIONS of dollars in welfare programs that they use (reducing quality of those programs to legal citizens by maxxing them out).

Life isnt fair, sorry. Poor children who were born here from immigrants? Well that sucks, your parents broke the law, they knew what they were doing.
 
It's an interesting fact of economics that people become less willing to pay for something the more essential they deem that product. Food, clothing, shelter and most recently healthcare are the items the citizens of this country consider the most essential and conversly the items they are willing to pay the least for.

I'm not saying this is right, just that this is the way our economy works. So we have an agricultural system that is heavily subsidised indirectly and directly by the federal state and local govt, but that's not enough to keep food cheap enough so we had exploitation of an underclass to the mix. We get our clothing from India or China where they pay the lowest wages on the planet.

Now we have a volatile stock market because we don't know just how much the whole housing bubble is going to affect things. Consider that for the past 15 or so years most middle class people have been living rent free(their houses have appreciated more than they have paid out).

So, we pay virtually nothing for food, as a percent of income at least, the middle class pays literally nothing for housing, clothing is dirt cheap and virtually free at thrift shops or yard sales, which leaves on healthcare.

Is it any wonder that healthcare is the big election issue? All the other "needs" of the modern american are being met either free or the next best thing to it, but healthcare still costs real money.

Is it any wonder that people rant about socialism? We already have a highly effective socialistic economy, actual socialism would let this dirty secret out into the open and people might not like what they see.
 
Time for what, exactly? How do you propose going about "taking back" your country, state, city? You going to saddle up and pop a few Hispanics with the trusty .30-30?
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I understand the point you are trying to make, but I think "take back our Country" just refers to:

-stopping illegals from using our welfare systems without contributing to the tax base.

-Stopping employers from hiring illegals at low wages, then letting the state take care of their welfare needs.

-Securing our borders (North & South) to prevent illegal & terrorist intrusions.

In fact, I don't think Hispanics has anything to do with the real issue. We need to stop illegals from coming into this Country no matter what their race or nationality. Even in a joking manner, I don't think talking about popping a few with a .30-30 is the way to go. Unless I missed something, I don't think the OP said anything about popping anyone.
 
I got this from another site:


I provided 'snopes' for doubters: http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig...kofamerica.asp

Now .
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of the following facts.


1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on il legal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are
caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United State s have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.' http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States '.
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whooping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message, but on the other hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, then forward it to every human in the country including every representative in Washington , DC four times a week for a month.

Also, I'm in Tucson and have been here since 1978.
 
I will add my personal experience in living in areas with a high influx of illegals.

We lived in El Paso...on the border. In some areas Mexico is just yards away. I also lived just north of San Diego. With all the talk about how low cost labor helps, this is what I found. In areas of high illegal influx the property taxes are always high, and the local welfare system is overloaded to the breaking point because of providing free medical/social services to illegals. Also, there is an big increase in crime. There simply is not enough money to provide free medical services to our ever growing illegal population. Just can't be done. I have said before, I don't blame people for seeking work or supporting their families, but I do blame our government for allowing illegal employment to continue.

We need to secure our border so pressure builds in Mexico and the Mexican people force their corrupt government to pay attention to the peoples needs instead of the drug cartels needs.
 
It "was time" a long while ago. It was "out of control" long ago.

But the problem is that we no longer have representative government in America and our business community understands nothing but the bottom-line.

As for the .30-30s, enjoy them while you can.
 
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
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This link did not work for me, however I find the number too high to be believable. The prison population in the US is about 16% hispanic. Most illegal aliens are hispanic, therefore that 30% number seems bogus. Such a glaring error casts a poor light on the whole post
 
Another ILLEGAL shoots cop
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There can be good illegal immigrants and bad cops. How about we just say that another human shoots another human? What's wrong with that? Why are police any better than illegal immigrants?
 
So Rob, if someone came to live at your house and then wouldn't leave, what would you do? They're nice people, just want to work and live a good life in the USA, but they do it from your house. They expect you to keep them in your house, and they'll even pay you, do your laundry, wash your car, do the landscaping, babysit the kids, etc., etc.. But they still live in your house, and if you call the police, they say it's a civil issue, you'll have to go to court to get them out. Then, one of them turns violent because of your constant nagging for them to get out after they say they have a right to be in your house? What are you going to do Rob?

To be honest, I don't know how anyone can be sympathetic to their cause. If it's ILLEGAL, then it's ILLEGAL. Next time you get stopped for an infraction on the freeway tell the officer that you just wanted to get to your destination in a timely manner, no harm, no foul, only problem is, you're drunk. But you tell them it's OK, you only broke a little bit of the law, they should let you go.

And yes, we know there are bad cops, but the cops here (everyone of them I've had contact with) are wayyyyy cooool. They're a different breed here, and I should know coming from the PRK. I'd like to see our LEOs here live, work, play, and in general have a great life, and not get shot for enforcing the law by someone who shouldn't have been here in the first place.

EDIT: Ok Rob, I looked at your profile and see that you're just 23, that explains why you think the way you do. Until you have as much experience with these issues as us old folks, sometimes it's better to sit back, listen, and understand our mentality rather than speaking up on issues you have so little experience with.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 
To be honest, I don't know how anyone can be sympathetic to their cause. If it's ILLEGAL, then it's ILLEGAL.
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So what? The fact that what they're doing is illegal means nothing to me. The existence of a law doesn't prove anything. Laws are not always a good thing.

Instead of blaming the immigrants, you should blame the corporations who employ them and the corrupt politicians who let all this happen. If there were no jobs for them they would not come here. Just don't complain when you have to pay $10 for a single orange.

Most of the immigrants are just trying to make their lives better and they shouldn't be punished for it. Wouldn't you want to come to the USA if you lived in a country like Mexico?
 
I see you haven't answered the questions.

So what you're saying is we should have anarchy if you don't believe in laws? That people who have committed a crime shouldn't be taken away and incarcerated?

AZ has passed a law that would revoke licenses to those that would employ ILLEGALs. Being as the Feds won't step up, our state chose to do so, as well as OK.

EDIT: I see you've removed your age from your profile, any particular reason?

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 
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