Is carrying 2 guns overkill?

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I carry 6, one on each ankle (2) one on each side in shoulder with 2 extra mags on each side also (2), one SOB (1) and one IWB (1)=6. All 45's so only one caliber of ammo. PS, NEVER carry in church. STEELERS have scored Already, GO BIG BEN!:):):cool:
 
Yes, it is probably over-kill. Of course, statistically speaking, carrying a high capacity gun is over-kill. Heck, carrying one at all is probably over-kill. It is just a matter of with what level of "over preparedness" you personally feel comfortable.
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PBP: You posted this early in the thread. It qualifies as pure Mas Ayoob. As you well know, in San Francisco, Los Angeles, I suspect Seattle, but I didn't look it up, San Diego, etc. the FBI crime statistics make you between a 1 and 14 and 1 and 22 chance of being the victim of a violent crime, per year you live there. Florida used to be about 4 times that, but, CCW has cut down the crime rate considerably.

I don't much like those odds. Being prepared is a really good idea, and, I wish I was more so...
 
PBP: You posted this early in the thread. It qualifies as pure Mas Ayoob. As you well know, in San Francisco, Los Angeles, I suspect Seattle, but I didn't look it up, San Diego, etc. the FBI crime statistics make you between a 1 and 14 and 1 and 22 chance of being the victim of a violent crime, per year you live there. Florida used to be about 4 times that, but, CCW has cut down the crime rate considerably.
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That is kind of a misuse of statistics. Violent crime can include vandalism and breaking and entering. Your chances of being assaulted are much lower.

Even if you are assaulted, are you going to be involved in a multi-person running gun battle? How many shots are you even going to fire? Are you going to be recruiting aid on the spot?

There is a huge difference of considering the likelihood of an event and then choosing to be over prepared (or just preparing for the worst) and trying to justify your own opinions with fictitious story telling.
 
There is a huge difference of considering the likelihood of an event and then choosing to be over prepared (or just preparing for the worst) and trying to justify your own opinions with fictitious story telling.
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Hey! Where were you when I tried to make that point in the "2 mags" thread?:D:eek:
 
Hey! Where were you when I tried to make that point in the "2 mags" thread?
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Hey, I can't read every thread y'know. I do have to try and put on the illusion of having a personal life and I am trying to get our bar open. :)
 
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In this case, he [(Ayoob)] claims you should carry a second gun so you can arm a second person.
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That's one reason, and under certain circumstances it may prove helpful indeed.

I not only find this a bit outlandish but also a bit on the irresponsible side.
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OK. Each to his own. Basis? Your qualifications?

I would never hand a loaded gun to a stranger.
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Has anyone suggested doing so?

Violent crime can include vandalism and breaking and entering.
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No.
 
are you going to be involved in a multi-person running gun battle? How many shots are you even going to fire? Are you going to be recruiting aid on the spot?
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Nobody knows the answer to those questions...isn't that why we prepare in the 1st place? If all variables were known, we would know when we could just leave the house unarmed.
 
In this case, he [(Ayoob)] claims you should carry a second gun so you can arm a second person.
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That's one reason, and under certain circumstances it may prove helpful indeed.
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What circumstances and can you cite actuall examples and not hypothetical situations?
Violent crime can include vandalism and breaking and entering.
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No.
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Yes, they can. I have had clients convicted of violent crimes for just such acts. The legal definition of violence does not just include acts of harm against another being. It can also deal with the amount of force used in committing a crime and the resulting damages and intent. The definition of violent crime suggests that violence is a behavior by persons, against persons or property that intentionally threatens, attempts, or actually inflicts physical harm. The definition of physical harm is very far reaching.

You also have to consider that rape is one of the most common violent crimes and that is most often a crime between to involved persons.
 
If all variables were known, we would know when we could just leave the house unarmed.
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The question is, which of those variables have a high enough probability of happening, so that I can know which ones I choose those for which I feel the need to prepare? Secondarily, one are the trade-off of preparing for any given variable?

Many, many people go out every day completely unprepared for a violent event. Why? Because the cost of preparing are too high for them. Maybe it's the cost of a gun directly. Maybe it's the cost of ridicule for being so "paranoid". There are as many reasons to prepare as there are excuses not to prepare.

We can never prepare for every variable. The odds of needing more than one gun (or needing an additional mag;))are vanishingly small. So small that I choose not to prepare to that degree. Everyone should prepare for those events such that when they walk out the door they feel, well, prepared. For some people that means remembering the cell phone. For others it means a high-cap primary, a spare mag or two, a bug with a spare mag, pepper spray, a flashlight and a rifle in the vehicle.
 
i carry a backup gun too. when i'm out to eat i carry a 1911A1 in a shoulder holster and a hi-cap pistol on my side covered up by a jacket, and always a SP101 in my pocket.

you really have to plan your wardrobe.:cool:
 
So small that I choose not to prepare to that degree. Everyone should prepare for those events such that when they walk out the door they feel, well, prepared
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The exact reason I stated earlier that after all the debate is done, it still boils down to personal choice...carry, or don't carry whatever you're comfortable with.
 
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offenses/violent_crime/index.html
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offenses/expanded_information/index.html

I went through these statistics, and came up with those figures. It was NOT a 'misuse' of statistics. I was wondering what my chances would be in certain major cities of being a victim of violent crime. I did my statistics by adding the total for the violent crimes I consider violent, as does the FBI, added them up, and divided by the population of the cities. Some fun notes:
Orlando is REALLY dangerous. Yep, Disney ban on guns makes the entrance and exit, and staying around the park a free for all zone for Bad guys.

San Francisco is 1 in 17 per year. San Diego was 1 in 22, less then I thought. L.A. was in between.
 
I went through these statistics, and came up with those figures. It was NOT a 'misuse' of statistics. I was wondering what my chances would be in certain major cities of being a victim of violent crime. I did my statistics by adding the total for the violent crimes I consider violent, as does the FBI, added them up, and divided by the population of the cities. Some fun notes:
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What formula did you use to come to this conclusion? What factors did you consider? Did you include all violent crimes or just physical assaults. Did you just add up the numbers and divide by the number of people or did you actually consider the time frame variable? Did you take domestic assaults into consideration or location of events?
 
What circumstances and can you cite actuall examples [that arming a second person may prove useful] and not hypothetical situations?
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Hypothetical scenarios and common sense. Risk analysis does not always require historical data. How do you think they designed safety and reliability provisions into the first spacecraft?

In any event, it would be close to impossible to accumulate data on encounters sorted by the number of armed citizens involved--and if one could, the number of variables involved would likely prevent drawing any meaningful conclusions. And that's before addressing whether one person may have provided a gun to another in any of the situations..

Is it not intuitively obvious to you that, if one were accosted by several people from more than one direction, having another armed person with him or her might improve the odds?

However, that's just one reason one might carry a second weapon. Redundancy in case of failure to fire, or having a back-up in case the first is taken or falls out of reach, would rank higher, in my view.

Violent crime can include vandalism and breaking and entering.
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From the FBI Home Page:
Violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. According to the Uniform Crime Reporting Program's definition, violent crimes involve force or threat of force.
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You will see the same categorization in metropolitan crime reports.

I'm sure you are aware that robbery involves a forceful or threatening encounter with a person, and that theft, burglary, etc. are categorized as property crimes.
 
Violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. According to the Uniform Crime Reporting Program's definition, violent crimes involve force or threat of force.
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And add just one more to that; simple assault, according to the United States Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics. But only if you believe Wiki. Certainly nothing about vandalism.
 
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