If not hollow-points, then what ammo for SD?

So pond, you can get, and use HP, but they are very expensive? Sorry if I misunderstood what you wrote.

If that's the case, just load the first few (3-4) shot's with HPs. I actually load my 9mm mags half and half. First 7-8 with HPs, and the second 7-8 FMJs.
 
"hollow points are illegal where your at, pond? Where are you?"


"Top of the Baltic" would be either Sweden or Finland, according to my Atlas!

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Can you get S&Bs? I see they have 9mm 124g soft points. The big 45 you really don't need soft point's IMHO, and the 44mag usually comes with soft points.
 
Can you get S&Bs? I see they have 9mm 124g soft points. The big 45 you really don't need soft point's IMHO, and the 44mag usually comes with soft points.
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Yes, I can get S&Bs: my stock of .44Mag are S&B soft points.

However, so far, 9mms seem to be FMJ: I've not seen any variants other than that, so far by S&B or other manufacturers...:(
 
Hhmmm...the only 9mm soft-points I've seen were made by S&B and Mag-tech. I've heard that Federal had an arrangement with a UK company to make some <100gr soft-point rounds for some British special forces types.--Patrice
 
For EDC I prefer a compact pistol in 9mm, because of the balance of capacity, concealability, and shootability. If I couldn't carry JHP, I probably wouldn't carry a 9mm. The shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (she was shot through the head with a 9mm JHP and lived), though anecdotal, makes me less confident in 9mm FMJ. Granted, several other people were killed in that event, and were presumably shot with the same round.

I'd probably switch to .40S&W: Larger, flat nosed, higher velocity round than 9mm with higher ammo capacity in a smaller package than .45 or revolvers.
 
My opinion is that Giffords was just lucky. The round probably went through a trajectory that didn't produce an injury incompatible with life. We've had, over the last 40 years, a Basque separatist group that used the "shot in the back of neck" technique as one of their preferred for a long time (before they switched to car bombs) and used FMJ 9mm in almost every occasion. They are lethal. Some other time I posted a video on an actual police shooting after a bank robbery in a town in our Mediterranean coast. Bandit was shot twice with FMJ, one hit in the hand, one in the chest. Pronounced dead on scene. Again, FMJ 9mm.

As said, I have a problem similar to Pond, with HP being illegal here. I just purchased two 50 round boxes of Remington 124gr flat nose semi jacketed. Actually, they're almost fully jacketed but in the tip, which exposes the lead and is flat. I'm looking forward to doing some kind of "ballistic" testing with them and see how they behave. I expect to expand a little and not to penetrate as much as FMJ. As ballistic gel is not available for me, I'm thinking 5 liter (a bit over a gallon) water jugs full of wet newspapers, and... bang! :D.
 
I'd probably switch to .40S&W: Larger, flat nosed, higher velocity round than 9mm with higher ammo capacity in a smaller package than .45 or revolvers.
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He might do that if you buy them for him, he's just trying to get by with what he has.

Pond, they might not be available there, but they are in the USA.

Nordeste

I just purchased two 50 round boxes of Remington 124gr flat nose semi jacketed. Actually, they're almost fully jacketed but in the tip, which exposes the lead and is flat.
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If you could find those, ha, sounds like a winner to me. I know about Glocks and lead but for SD, it's just a little extra cleaning and more often. That's if you still have the stock polygonal rifling.
 
^ Now I'm typing from my laptop and not at home, but whenever I get a gap I'll upload a pic of this ammo for you, so you see it and say how you think they'd work in a Glock (which is the next purchase I'm thinking about). As said, the bullet is fully jacketed but in the tip, so no lead would contact the inner side of the barrel and its rifling. My thought is that they'd be OK, but would like to hear opinions.
 
My understanding with lead and Glocks is that it is lead in contact with the rifling that necessitates extra cleaning.

If this is a jacketed soft point, then the lead portion should stay away from the rifling and so not be an issue.

The only caveats to that are when the round is initially chambered it might lose leaden material to the chambering area and if there are lead particulates that will come off that centre soft point area.
 
I'd have to re-check the law, but I think the prohibition is for hollow-points only, in which case yes.

The only issue would then be availability
 
In 9mm a truncated cone flat point, improved ball ammo.

In .44, a SWC, the Keith 250 would suit me fine.

In .45 ACP, truncated FMJ again.

The various soft points resemble roundnose lead to much to suit me, and that profile was a decdied loser.
 
@Pond

Hi!

I´m a police officer from Austria. Our duty guns are Glock 17´s with Fiocchi and S&B 100grs. soft points. We are not allowed to carry hollow points, because in our country everybody thinks that hollow points are mean killer bullets... :mad:
The police here isn´t involved in many gun fights, but in several shootings, the soft point bullets were very effective.

Greetings
 
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