I think the Germans are winning

You are wrong as usual. You are too often blinded by you loyality to what you have in your personal collection and unable to understand that your subjective thoughts on your guns of choice are not universal truth.

My statements about the PPQ not selling and not being shot at in high level competition prompting Walther to initiate help to improve those sales from a well known aftermarket trigger company is fact not an interpretation. Sorry you are just flat out wrong on this one.

How many large govt LEO or Military contracts has the PPQ won? The only one I can think of is the Dutch/ Netherlands police who field P99Qs and that was only about 50,000 pistols. Can you name any sigarms228? Can you tell us why you think it is such a great seller beyond your local observations? I would be interested in hearing your facts.

Enjoy your PPQ.
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We get it you don't like the PPQ. But again you don't have any actual facts from Walther corp.

I also don't appreciate you making it personal. I believe that is not within forum rules for code of conduct and I won't take the bait.

Again you have NO FACTS but again just your own formulated opinion. I could care less who you have talked to unless it was upper management at Walther and they confirmed that the PPQ has missed their targeted expectations and you have some documentation to back it up and if so please share it with us. Otherwise have a nice day.
 
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An aftermarket trigger is the last thing I would put on my PPQ. I find this gun to be exceptional at rapid fire as it is at slow fire.

Why wouldn't a gun manufacturer what aftermarket support for their products. It's one of the things Glock fans like to crow about.

I like my Sphinx SDP too but, not anywhere near as well as my PPQ or P-30.
 
How many large govt LEO or Military contracts has the PPQ won? The only one I can think of is the Dutch/ Netherlands police who field P99Qs and that was only about 50,000 pistols. Can you name any sigarms228? Can you tell us why you think it is such a great seller beyond your local observations? I would be interested in hearing your facts.
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Some 83,000 P99/P99RAD for Polish police & military. A more complete list can be found over at Wikipedia.

Some forget that Walther is a relatively small operation in the scheme of things. For many years, they were relatively content to stick to mostly European LE/Military market sales, with little interest in US LE or commercial sales.
 
'Some 83,000 P99/P99RAD for Polish police & military.'

Uhm... I may be wrong about this, because I really don't give a damn about German semi-autos...

But the PPQ is not the same thing as the P99, is it?

The PPQ is a update of the P99 design, but it's not the same gun...
 
The P99s I have seen look much different than the ones shown in the linked posts.

So is there a different variant for the US?
 
OK... So the US variant of the p99 is different.
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Lol, yes and no. The variant of the P99 that we do get stateside is the same as that variant in Europe, AFAIK. The difference is just that we didn't get the P99Q and P99RAD that appeared in Europe. Those become the PPQ and we got that.
 
Yeah, in the posted link, that p99 looked outwardly just the same as the PPQ. Had it not had the model on the lower part of the grip, I would not have known they were different without a closed look.

I am used to the p99s I see in the stores, and it looks very different.
 
I've fired a buddies 9MM Walther, I didn't run to the store to buy one. It was OK, another plastic gun.
 
The funny thing is you always hear these types of claims about the P99/PPQ but at the same time their sales lag. They don't sell.
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I'm sure you will agree though that their marketing has sucked big time for the last 20 or 30 years.
 
Sig Sauer really is not a German company anymore. It is headquartered and run here in the US by Cohen and has since 2004. Prior to that and the purchase by their new principles in about 2000 IIRC they were a company hemorrhaging money using old designs on old equipment and losing marketshare much like todays Colt.
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I'm not really sure what kind of point you're trying to make with that statement but to compare Colt with Sig is rather laughable. Colt hasn't had much "marketshare" for pistols for a very long time. Sig on the other hand was doing quite well several years before Cohen got out of college. Through most of the late 90's Sig had more US State Police contracts than Glock did.
 
I'm sure you will agree though that their marketing has sucked big time for the last 20 or 30 years.
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Yes their marketing is a big part of why the pistols do not sell as well as others. ;)

I'm not really sure what kind of point you're trying to make with that statement but to compare Colt with Sig is rather laughable. Colt hasn't had much "marketshare" for pistols for a very long time. Sig on the other hand was doing quite well several years before Cohen got out of college. Through most of the late 90's Sig had more US State Police contracts than Glock did.
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They were losing money hand over fist before Cohen arrived even though they made and sold a lot of guns. By the early 2000's they were losing all of those contracts to Glock. When those contracts went away they were in trouble. Similar to where Colt finds themselves now with the loss of the M4 $$$ to FN.

Colt sells every single pistol they make they just don't manage those funds well or honestly make enough pistols IMHO. In the early 2000s Sig made a lot of pistols that didn't sell. Either wat they are not much of a German company anymore. Any Sig made in Germany can no longer be imported by Sig in Exeter.
 
Yes their marketing is a big part of why the pistols do not sell as well as others.
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That's what it amounts to. Walther has generally been content with their international LE/military sales over the years, and has only made a significant push into the US civilian market only recently.
 
I just sold my H&K P2000 V2 .40 and picked up a VP9 earlier this week. After December 31, I will sell my Glock 23 gen 4 so that will leave me with one Austrian pistol-a Glock 43.

I probably won't purchase another Glock due to really disliking "Glock knuckle" even though I like everything else about them. My VP9 is and my P2000 was a joy to shoot, one thing being that the trigger guards didn't give me bodily injury.

I handled a Sig P320 the day i purchased the VP9, and it nearly caused me to go with the Sig instead. I'm pretty sure I would have been happy with the Sig but I didn't research it before the day of purchase. I really like my P2000 so that was another factor.

Also, I really liked my sister's PPQ, but the release of the VP9 kept me in the H&K camp for now.

Personal preference guys, personal preference!
 
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