I think the Germans are winning

Fire4606 that is exactly my experience. Shooting the PPQ at a slower pace creates excellent groups but speed it up and they widen for me. I am not sure it's the bore axis because it does not happen to me with classic Sig P series guns.
 
I will report back this weekend or next on how it does.


I am always curious as to what other people consider "shooting at speed/high speed shooting/rapid fire"... Call it what you will... I am guessing everyone has different ideas about it. For that matter, they probably have different options on slow fire.
 
To me slow fire is deliberate aimed fire for each and every shot, second to second and a half splits.

Rapid fire is as quick as i can get the front sight back on target, more like half second or less splits, i felt there was more muzzle rise with the PPQ than my other polymer guns, i still keep the PPQ and will probably get a 5" at some point to try it out for myself, beacause exactly like you mention "slow fire" "rapid fire" is different to everyone...and i love the PPQ trigger
 
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They've been winning for quite a while.

The P99/PPQ design has been on the market since 1997 (with just new trigger group options and aesthetic revisions), and no one seems to have really bested it yet.
 
The P99/PPQ design has been on the market since 1997 (with just new trigger group options and aesthetic revisions), and no one seems to have really bested it yet.
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The funny thing is you always hear these types of claims about the P99/PPQ but at the same time their sales lag. They don't sell. I have seen the same PPQs sit in the case at one of my local gun stores for the past 2 years. Glocks, XDs, Sig, Rugers etc... come and go but those PPQs just sit there. They are not over priced but there they sit.

IMHO the PPQ is a niche gun with a niche following but it is not a great seller which does not make it a bad pistol but to say that it is "winning" is a stretch. YMMV
 
Well... When I said winning... I meant amongst my person firearms, and those I call my favorites.


I think brand recognition with Walther is decent, but only in regards to their old icon. This is of course, within the general population... They are much more familiar with names like Glock and S&W...

Price being generally lower overall makes for a more tempting sale than the Walther.

There are probably a lot of reasons all combined that make for the Walthers selling fewer.
 
I bought an H&K P2000 9mm for SD. It's a fine handgun. The LEM trigger may not be for everyone, but I really like the longish pull and hammer for CC.
 
I have a PPQm1 9 loved it so much I bought a PPQ 40 5" only problem is I couldn't find a M1 so bought the M2. Since then I have sold my glocks and my XD. Looking hard at the PPQ 45.
 
Inside quality track MHS

I picked up the Sig P320 n find it to be a superb design for handling, accuracy n reliability. The modular handgun trials by the military may eventually see this gun as the chosen sidearm... Which makes a lot of sense to me
 
I bought an H&K P2000 9mm for SD. It's a fine handgun. The LEM trigger may not be for everyone, but I really like the longish pull and hammer for CC.
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The HK P2000 LEM V2 may be my next EDC. I have a P30 V3 DA/SA that I've had for almost a year. Great gun overall, reliable & super accurate, the modular grip is excellent. But the DA pull is really heavy (but smooth). Back when I ordered it last year I wanted the V2 LEM trigger variant, and the distributor shipped a V3 to my dealer, since the V2 LEM was out of stock at the time. I took it because I wanted the $200 rebate that HK was offering at the time. I was told that HK would convert the V3 to the V2 LEM.

When I called HK (lack of) Customer Support, I was told they no longer do LEM trigger conversions on their "P" guns. They will do LEM conversions on the USP guns and the HK45. They will do "V3" DA/SA conversions on any "P" gun with a LEM trigger. I really think the liability lawyers now man the CS phones at HK. LEM conversion kits are nowhere to be found, and like I said, my P30 is a great gun that's very high quality, but HK shoots themselves and their customers in the foot (pun intended) with their customer support policies.

I would learn to shoot that P2000 V2 LEM, it's a great trigger system once you practice with it and get the hang of it.
 
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The HK P2000 LEM V2 may be my next EDC. I have a P30 V3 DA/SA that I've had for almost a year. Great gun overall, reliable & super accurate, the modular grip is excellent. But the DA pull is really heavy (but smooth). Back when I ordered it last year I wanted the V2 LEM trigger variant, and the distributor shipped a V3 to my dealer, since the V2 LEM was out of stock at the time. I took it because I wanted the $200 rebate that HK was offering at the time. I was told that HK would convert the V3 to the V2 LEM.



When I called HK (lack of) Customer Support, I was told they no longer do LEM trigger conversions on their "P" guns. They will do LEM conversions on the USP guns and the HK45. They will do "V3" DA/SA conversions on any "P" gun with a LEM trigger. I really think the liability lawyers now man the CS phones at HK. LEM conversion kits are nowhere to be found, and like I said, my P30 is a great gun that's very high quality, but HK shoots themselves and their customers in the foot (pun intended) with their customer support policies.



I would learn to shoot that P2000 V2 LEM, it's a great trigger system once you practice with it and get the hang of it.
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That's always been their policy regarding the P series pistols. You can call it a result of lawyers if you want, I think it's mainly because there would be a gap in the frame where the decocker sticks out. And whoever you talked to was wrong or you misheard, because unless you cut a hole in the frame you can't go from LEM to DA/SA with a dedicated decocker for the P series pistols. The USP and HK45 have a different decocker design that was designed with doing a conversion in mind. You can do the conversion yourself if hkparts.net has the parts, I haven't checked stock in some time. But there will be a gap in the frame.

By the way, if you want to light up the DA on your P30 it's very easy. You can order a hammer spring for a USP from Wolff springs (it works in the P30). You can go as low as 10 lb but they're so cheap I suggest picking up a 12 lb spring as well. Also swap out the firing pin block spring for the "light" variant on hkparts.net. That gets rid of the stacking at the end of the trigger pull. If you Google it you can find instructions probably on HKpro. All you have to do is drift out a pin. If you have questions feel free to message me.
 
By the way, if you want to light up the DA on your P30 it's very easy. You can order a hammer spring for a USP from Wolff springs (it works in the P30). You can go as low as 10 lb but they're so cheap I suggest picking up a 12 lb spring as well. Also swap out the firing pin block spring for the "light" variant on hkparts.net. That gets rid of the stacking at the end of the trigger pull. If you Google it you can find instructions probably on HKpro. All you have to do is drift out a pin. If you have questions feel free to message me.
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Hey TRat;

I'm actually planning to temporarily void my HK Liferime Warranty to do exactly what you suggest with the lighter hammer spring & I'm going to try the lighter firing pin block spring as well. But I still want a P2000 V2 LEM; looks like I picked the wrong month to stop buying toys! Big Attaguy for your advice & support!
 
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Hey TRat;



I'm actually planning to temporarily void my HK Liferime Warranty to do exactly what you suggest with the lighter hammer spring & I'm going to try the lighter firing pin block spring as well. But I still want a P2000 V2 LEM; looks like I picked the wrong month to stop buying toys! Big Attaguy for your advice & support!
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Shop around for the P2000. Prices have fallen hard so you should see them close to $600.
 
Sold a Glock to get a PPQ. Loved it for a little while, but after a brief affair with it I found myself not caring for it as much and I went back to Glock.

Got rid of my Glocks and went to all DA/SA for a bit.

Then I went back to Striker with my HK VP9 purchased a little over a year ago now. I spent about 6 months with the PPQ before growing tired of it. I haven't grown tired of my VP9 at all. I enjoy a more tactile trigger reset than the PPQ provides, although it is definitely a crisp trigger. I would like to get another Glock sometime, but I don't have any desire to sell my VP9 to get one as I did with the PPQ.
 
Germans are definitely winning with me. ;)

Around these parts the Walthers are selling well at a large volume LGS not that far away. Last spring they had a factory shoot with all the big vendors and Walther was there too. The Walther booth was about the busiest. It took me quite a while to try out a few of their pistols. The other vendors were pretty much no/low waiting.



I just picked up this little fella a couple months ago new for $383!!. My man CCW now,

 
When the PPQ first got popular it really exploded. Locally and online they sold like hotcakes. I think they sit on shelves now because most of the people that wanted one bought one. I don't see them coming up for trade up very often locally. In fact of striker fired pistols they probably come up the least. I think the retention rate for their sales must be good.
 
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