i once thought i had to have a glock
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I'm a college age kid, and I say "cool". I also own an HK USP, and plan to buy at least one more.
Overpriced? Yeah. I have owned Glock, though, and the USP is better built with a real safety and a much nicer trigger. Real steel sights and guide rod, too. Everything feels more solid, the mag release lever is nicer, the mags click neatly into place. No gap in the frame to slide fit. Glock=Chevy, HK=BMW. Worth the extra cash, to me.
I don't think too many college kids around here can afford the 700 bucks for a USP, maybe you are mistaken? Since when do college kids (except nutballs like me) blow 700 bucks on a handgun? If I was a poor college student, I would be looking for a used Glock, or maybe a Makarov. Luckily, I'm not poor, so I buy new USP's. (NOTE - not saying Glocks are for poor people)
As for spec ops wannabees, I don't play computer games and I shoot my HK the same way I shot my Glock. I load, I aim, I pull, I reload. I don't own anything "tactical", and I don't wear gloves and body armor at the range. I also don't run around the house with my USP in battle gear, dr firing at pictures of Bin Laden on my TV screen. In other words, I'm not THAT nutty. Again, I think you may be mistaken. Perhaps it's a piece of Glock-fanatic propoganda. I don't even know much at all about anything military. I just know that I think the USP is a better gun than the Glock. I owned both, I formed my own opinion.
I think Glocks and HK's are equally reliable and capable as defensive weapons. I enjoy the USP's much more, though. They are awfully COOL guns.
PS - Glocks ARE awesome. I just think USP's are slightly more awesome.
Overpriced? Yeah. I have owned Glock, though, and the USP is better built with a real safety and a much nicer trigger. Real steel sights and guide rod, too. Everything feels more solid, the mag release lever is nicer, the mags click neatly into place. No gap in the frame to slide fit. Glock=Chevy, HK=BMW. Worth the extra cash, to me.
I don't think too many college kids around here can afford the 700 bucks for a USP, maybe you are mistaken? Since when do college kids (except nutballs like me) blow 700 bucks on a handgun? If I was a poor college student, I would be looking for a used Glock, or maybe a Makarov. Luckily, I'm not poor, so I buy new USP's. (NOTE - not saying Glocks are for poor people)
As for spec ops wannabees, I don't play computer games and I shoot my HK the same way I shot my Glock. I load, I aim, I pull, I reload. I don't own anything "tactical", and I don't wear gloves and body armor at the range. I also don't run around the house with my USP in battle gear, dr firing at pictures of Bin Laden on my TV screen. In other words, I'm not THAT nutty. Again, I think you may be mistaken. Perhaps it's a piece of Glock-fanatic propoganda. I don't even know much at all about anything military. I just know that I think the USP is a better gun than the Glock. I owned both, I formed my own opinion.
I think Glocks and HK's are equally reliable and capable as defensive weapons. I enjoy the USP's much more, though. They are awfully COOL guns.
PS - Glocks ARE awesome. I just think USP's are slightly more awesome.
"HK USP's are overly large, blocky, designed by commitee (hmm, lets put a Glock and a Sig together and let's slap our name on it), overpriced polymer guns for wannabe spec operators who play too much Rogue Spear...."
...like the whole german and spanish army, the KSK, the bundespolizei, numerous US agencies, (and last but not at least our swat/CT teams here in Hungary)
I just LOVE when I can outshoot any stock Glock guy on the matches with my large, blocky, ugly, and overcomplicated USP40F.
A Glock guy need to replace at least a dozen parts (sounds kinda silly to me) to catch up with a factory HK...
...like the whole german and spanish army, the KSK, the bundespolizei, numerous US agencies, (and last but not at least our swat/CT teams here in Hungary)
I just LOVE when I can outshoot any stock Glock guy on the matches with my large, blocky, ugly, and overcomplicated USP40F.
A Glock guy need to replace at least a dozen parts (sounds kinda silly to me) to catch up with a factory HK...I have owned and shot quite a few handguns - 1911s, Revolvers, Berettas, Derringers, Single Actions, blah blah blah...
However, for ME, I can shoot my Glock for combat purposes, better than anyother handgun I have ever owned. I am left handed and my G19 is simply perfect for ME.
I do not care about a "crisp" trigger. I do not care about "one jagged hole" I do not care about nice wood grips and metal finish.
I care about putting a bullet where i want it when faced with a life or death situation. I can double tap and mozambique with my G19 with ease from the draw. It will still put all shots in a nice little cluster. It is perfect size for CCW and carries an impressive amount of firepower IF needed. I do not worry avbout scratching it, I don't worry about it AT ALL!
I think it depends a lot on what someone looks for in a gun. Shooting for fun or for keeps!
canis
However, for ME, I can shoot my Glock for combat purposes, better than anyother handgun I have ever owned. I am left handed and my G19 is simply perfect for ME.
I do not care about a "crisp" trigger. I do not care about "one jagged hole" I do not care about nice wood grips and metal finish.
I care about putting a bullet where i want it when faced with a life or death situation. I can double tap and mozambique with my G19 with ease from the draw. It will still put all shots in a nice little cluster. It is perfect size for CCW and carries an impressive amount of firepower IF needed. I do not worry avbout scratching it, I don't worry about it AT ALL!
I think it depends a lot on what someone looks for in a gun. Shooting for fun or for keeps!
canis
Gunhead,
I don't need to use the slide release, since I ALWAYS use the slingshot method to chamber a round anyway. When I slam, a mag home in my G19, it release the slide anyway which saves me extra movement during a reload - just like my M16 used to. The magazine release actually works perfectly well with the trigger finger of my left hand. I can drop a mag and speed load with the best of 'em now. An added bonus is that is keeps my finger away from the trigger while loading a new mag just in case there is one in the pipe during a tactical reload.
IMO it is a perfect ambidextrous gun.
canis
I don't need to use the slide release, since I ALWAYS use the slingshot method to chamber a round anyway. When I slam, a mag home in my G19, it release the slide anyway which saves me extra movement during a reload - just like my M16 used to. The magazine release actually works perfectly well with the trigger finger of my left hand. I can drop a mag and speed load with the best of 'em now. An added bonus is that is keeps my finger away from the trigger while loading a new mag just in case there is one in the pipe during a tactical reload.
IMO it is a perfect ambidextrous gun.
canis
Thats one of the challenges of being lefty - you have to work around the design since they sure as heck don't build anything with leftys in mind
That being said though, perhaps it would have been more correct to say that I have found the Glock to be easier to work with being lefthanded than other handguns.
canis
That being said though, perhaps it would have been more correct to say that I have found the Glock to be easier to work with being lefthanded than other handguns.
canis
I have one thing to say to you glocksters: Hi power! Hi Power Hi Power! Have you all forgotten about the classic 9mm handgun? Shame on you for overlooking the greatest combat handgun ever produced! I too once thought about a Glock, or Sig or HK when I was looking for my first auto loader. Then I picked up the Hi Power and my search was over. Everything a Glock is, and so much more...Accurate, reliable, beautiful, fits the hand perfectly. How can you improve on that? Ok, let the flames begin, I'm outa here.
king catfish
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Hello everyone. This is my first post here at TFL.
I've tried many types of handguns (and other firearms) and I have to say that for day-to-day carry and that safe feeling of reliability, my Glock is the one.
I have a lot of weapons and play with them all a lot, but for daily carry I carry the Glock 23 and my wife carries the Glock 27. Accept no substitute.
I've tried many types of handguns (and other firearms) and I have to say that for day-to-day carry and that safe feeling of reliability, my Glock is the one.
I have a lot of weapons and play with them all a lot, but for daily carry I carry the Glock 23 and my wife carries the Glock 27. Accept no substitute.
CANIS, exactly how hard do you slam the magazine into the well? I'd have to slam it hard enough to break the baseplate off to get my slide to release itself using any of my GLOCKs.
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I like GLOCKs, but I like a lot of others too. My G19 is my all-purpose defense gun (CCW, HD, vehicle, etc.). The thing that gets me is the statements I see on some boards:
"GLOCK is the greatest design since sliced bread." Oh really? How so?
"If it's not a GLOCK, it's a pile of (you know what)."
I will admit that Mr. Glock made one hell of a pistol, but some folks need to acknowledge the fact that there are other great designs out there as well.
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I like GLOCKs, but I like a lot of others too. My G19 is my all-purpose defense gun (CCW, HD, vehicle, etc.). The thing that gets me is the statements I see on some boards:
"GLOCK is the greatest design since sliced bread." Oh really? How so?
"If it's not a GLOCK, it's a pile of (you know what
)."I will admit that Mr. Glock made one hell of a pistol, but some folks need to acknowledge the fact that there are other great designs out there as well.
CANIS must be seating his magazine with a sledge hammer. As far as I'm concerned, I have had many Glocks, and have never had a single problem with any of them. Having said that, I always go back to the 1911. I guess it could be said that I always go back to the Glock too. It's just that I'm on the 1911 end of this see-saw right now. I've got to admit that I am more confident in the Glocks that I've had. Just my experience though.
I just got a Walther P99. It has all the positive aspects of the Glock and none of the negatives
I owned a p99 and it is not glock. It was not reliable as the slide locked open with ammo still in the mag. The higher bore axis made muzzle jump unpleasant with full power 40 ammo. It did have a nice grip but then again so does a sigma and thats a piece of crap too.
PAT
I owned a p99 and it is not glock. It was not reliable as the slide locked open with ammo still in the mag. The higher bore axis made muzzle jump unpleasant with full power 40 ammo. It did have a nice grip but then again so does a sigma and thats a piece of crap too.
PAT
I'm still tryin to figure out why it is that whenever you mention that you like your Glocks, folks automatically assume it means you don't like other pistols.
Yes, I carry my Glocks a lot. Why? Because I think they're some kind of "ultimate gun"?
No, because they work very well and, more importantly, are not likely to have their appearance damaged (if such were possible) by dings, dents, rust and holster wear. I carry my nice 1911's and tuned wheelguns sometimes too, but like my nice clothes, they're reserved for occasions where they're unlikely to get mussed.
Yes, I carry my Glocks a lot. Why? Because I think they're some kind of "ultimate gun"?
No, because they work very well and, more importantly, are not likely to have their appearance damaged (if such were possible) by dings, dents, rust and holster wear. I carry my nice 1911's and tuned wheelguns sometimes too, but like my nice clothes, they're reserved for occasions where they're unlikely to get mussed.
Ian11 said:
Designed by commitee? And how is that wrong? The design and testing of the H&K exceeds anything that was done with the GLOCK. Here's a homework assignment for you. Buy a .45 caliber GLOCK and put 6000 rounds of .45 Super through it and let us know when you get done (a call from the hospital will suffice if you can't get to a computer). Next, buy another GLOCK .45 (you'll see why you need a second after completing homework assignment #1) and lodge a bullet in the barrel and fire another behind it. Hiding behind a tree is highly recommend while completing both of the homework assingments. As the last homework assignment, do both of the above with an H&K and post the results to this thread.
Tell us how an H&K is a GLOCK and a SIG together?
Who wants to be a spec operator? Of any handgun that has a following, I'd venture to guess that more GLOCKs are sold based on "wannabe" tendencies than any other firearm on the market. I have a hard time getting a front row seat for GLOCKs at the gun shop (not that I want to) because the "wannabes" are huddled around the glass oohhing and aahhing. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people saying "GLOCK? That's what all the cops carry!" (hint of reverence in their voice). Someone mentions an H&K and the response is " . . . a what?"
By the way, what is Rogue Spear? I'm assuming you are familiar with it?
I say "cool" at the range a lot too when firing my H&Ks (this as I admire the tight groups), is something wrong with tight groups? I have to say I see more peppered targets at the range from GLOCK shooters than any other handgun (in fairness to GLOCKs, it is the shooter not the gun) . I believe the reason for this is explained above. It seems to me there are a higher percentage of inexperienced shooters at the range shooting GLOCKs than any other gun on the market (there is nothing wrong with this by the way). I know there are plenty of shooters out there that could probably outshoot me with their GLOCKs ( I have friends who do from time to time), but I sure don't see them at the ranges I shoot at.
Before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm not anti-GLOCK. I don't own one for one simple reason (I would own several if this were corrected), the grip angle. Glocks simply point high in my hands and I can't get used to adjusting my sight picture every time I bring the gun up from ready.
Your classification of H&K shooters, SIGS, and 1911s is simply childishness.
By the way, do you need more than 7-8 rounds? Place your GLOCK in a Ransom alongside any brand name 1911 on the market and we'll see who has the last laugh.
Anytime you'd like to shoot any of your GLOCKs against any of my H&Ks, I'd be happy to accomodate you.
Shake
WARNING: The reference to the homework assignment in this post was a JOKE. Do not try this with your GLOCK firearm. Poster is not responsible for any personal or property damage resulting from firing .45 Super in a GLOCK firearm
Overly large for you? They certainly aren't for me and a lot of other shooters. Before you begin size comparisons, maybe you should check the specifications. Obviously you haven't, or you wouldn't be bringing size up as a comparison factor. I won't hold your hand and walk you through the numbers, but the GLOCK and H&Ks are very similarly built as far as size is concerned (we are talking VERY small fractions of inches here). Maybe you should stick to things you know.
Designed by commitee? And how is that wrong? The design and testing of the H&K exceeds anything that was done with the GLOCK. Here's a homework assignment for you. Buy a .45 caliber GLOCK and put 6000 rounds of .45 Super through it and let us know when you get done (a call from the hospital will suffice if you can't get to a computer). Next, buy another GLOCK .45 (you'll see why you need a second after completing homework assignment #1) and lodge a bullet in the barrel and fire another behind it. Hiding behind a tree is highly recommend while completing both of the homework assingments. As the last homework assignment, do both of the above with an H&K and post the results to this thread.
Tell us how an H&K is a GLOCK and a SIG together?
Who wants to be a spec operator? Of any handgun that has a following, I'd venture to guess that more GLOCKs are sold based on "wannabe" tendencies than any other firearm on the market. I have a hard time getting a front row seat for GLOCKs at the gun shop (not that I want to) because the "wannabes" are huddled around the glass oohhing and aahhing. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people saying "GLOCK? That's what all the cops carry!" (hint of reverence in their voice). Someone mentions an H&K and the response is " . . . a what?"
By the way, what is Rogue Spear? I'm assuming you are familiar with it?
I say "cool" at the range a lot too when firing my H&Ks (this as I admire the tight groups), is something wrong with tight groups? I have to say I see more peppered targets at the range from GLOCK shooters than any other handgun (in fairness to GLOCKs, it is the shooter not the gun) . I believe the reason for this is explained above. It seems to me there are a higher percentage of inexperienced shooters at the range shooting GLOCKs than any other gun on the market (there is nothing wrong with this by the way). I know there are plenty of shooters out there that could probably outshoot me with their GLOCKs ( I have friends who do from time to time), but I sure don't see them at the ranges I shoot at.
Before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm not anti-GLOCK. I don't own one for one simple reason (I would own several if this were corrected), the grip angle. Glocks simply point high in my hands and I can't get used to adjusting my sight picture every time I bring the gun up from ready.
Your classification of H&K shooters, SIGS, and 1911s is simply childishness.
You could quantify this by saying "a SIG pistol I looked at had chips and gouges". They all don't, as you seem to imply. By the way, you could chip and gouge away well over half the slide rails on a SIG and still have 500% more bearing surface than a GLOCK.
Your generalities are rediculous. 1911s get worked on because they are one of the easiest guns to customize on the market because of the huge numbers of aftermarket parts. 95% or more of these aftermarket parts are not even remotely related to reliability.
By the way, do you need more than 7-8 rounds? Place your GLOCK in a Ransom alongside any brand name 1911 on the market and we'll see who has the last laugh.
This may be true, but for none of the reasons you mentioned above. Talk to the DEA about what they do with their "lots of money".
Anytime you'd like to shoot any of your GLOCKs against any of my H&Ks, I'd be happy to accomodate you.
Shake
WARNING: The reference to the homework assignment in this post was a JOKE. Do not try this with your GLOCK firearm. Poster is not responsible for any personal or property damage resulting from firing .45 Super in a GLOCK firearm