I Guess I was Naive in Thinking that all Police Officers were Excellent Shots.
- Thread starter Wheel-Gunner
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Excuse me, but the idea of private citizen CCW is constantly under attack by those who claim permit holders don't measure up (and apparently can NEVER measure up in some people's eyes).
Because some are not qualified (in some cases) NO private citizens should carry. I wish I had a dime every time I've heard some Police Chief express that sacred opinion.
Fed up with it. Another damn double standard.
Make no mistake. I hold LEO in high regard in general and thank them for their service.
But some are bozos.
Because some are not qualified (in some cases) NO private citizens should carry. I wish I had a dime every time I've heard some Police Chief express that sacred opinion.
Fed up with it. Another damn double standard.
Make no mistake. I hold LEO in high regard in general and thank them for their service.
But some are bozos.
I would add that not just most cops, but most people are notoriously poor shots, when you move off the square range.
My first fire fight was an eye opener for sure when it comes to combat marksmanship. I shoots high expert on the KD course, yet I have poured quite a few more well aimed shots down range at people who were moving and shoot back than I have actually hit.
I actually think burst seems to help also; a 240 or M16 firing a burst tends to have a higher change of hitting.
My first fire fight was an eye opener for sure when it comes to combat marksmanship. I shoots high expert on the KD course, yet I have poured quite a few more well aimed shots down range at people who were moving and shoot back than I have actually hit.
I actually think burst seems to help also; a 240 or M16 firing a burst tends to have a higher change of hitting.
Striker071
New member
1 Not all law enforcement officers are good shots. Some dont practice enough. Some dont care because they think it wont happen to me ..I wont have to use it. And amazingly enough.. some who are in Law Enforcement would rather not carry a gun and be like the "Bobbies" in the United Kingdom.
If you are the Tackleberry type and you enjoy guns and weapons in most departments and agencies you are made fun of and ostricised.
2. There are LEO's that dont exercise or train as much as they would like. Well the strange shifts, the "quick grab" of something to eat, the long hours dont lend a helping hand in the case of getting to the gym and staying fit.
3. If I told a person you had to buy a computer a year for work and it had to be a good one most people would say whoa wait a minuite "that is a lot of money.. the company should pay for that. So the statement that low payed LEO's should suck it up and pay for practice ammo is plain wrong. Most people should be going to there town or municipality and asking "Do our guys get some practice ammo in the budget?"
My qualifications are outdoors rain snow or shine... Last qualification it was raining HARD... and was about 40 degrees .. so cold and raw. 4 times a year. I did well like I always try to do.
Just like in most jobs, some do it well ... some dont care and some just dont know any better. I drove a fork truck in a warehouse to put myself through college. We had guys that would crash.. damage freight and be dangerous to themselves and others. So they didnt use the tool safely and efficiently.
We had a couple guys who could thread a needle with a fork truck.. same same.
Skillsets need to be trained. Skillsets need to be practiced. Shooting a firearm is a skillset. Driving is a skillset that all of us take for granted. We do it everyday. We just dont realize that we have trained constantly.
Yes all LEO's should practice. The shooters with poor basic skills should shoot more.
If you are the Tackleberry type and you enjoy guns and weapons in most departments and agencies you are made fun of and ostricised.
2. There are LEO's that dont exercise or train as much as they would like. Well the strange shifts, the "quick grab" of something to eat, the long hours dont lend a helping hand in the case of getting to the gym and staying fit.
3. If I told a person you had to buy a computer a year for work and it had to be a good one most people would say whoa wait a minuite "that is a lot of money.. the company should pay for that. So the statement that low payed LEO's should suck it up and pay for practice ammo is plain wrong. Most people should be going to there town or municipality and asking "Do our guys get some practice ammo in the budget?"
My qualifications are outdoors rain snow or shine... Last qualification it was raining HARD... and was about 40 degrees .. so cold and raw. 4 times a year. I did well like I always try to do.
Just like in most jobs, some do it well ... some dont care and some just dont know any better. I drove a fork truck in a warehouse to put myself through college. We had guys that would crash.. damage freight and be dangerous to themselves and others. So they didnt use the tool safely and efficiently.
We had a couple guys who could thread a needle with a fork truck.. same same.
Skillsets need to be trained. Skillsets need to be practiced. Shooting a firearm is a skillset. Driving is a skillset that all of us take for granted. We do it everyday. We just dont realize that we have trained constantly.
Yes all LEO's should practice. The shooters with poor basic skills should shoot more.
Glenn E. Meyer
New member
Gee, how do folks win high level matches with Glocks?
Training and practice.
LEO friends of mine qualify 4 times a year. Should CHLs and CCW types qualify four times a year? And they never do any force on force training at all.
Training and practice.
LEO friends of mine qualify 4 times a year. Should CHLs and CCW types qualify four times a year? And they never do any force on force training at all.
"Gee, how do folks win high level matches with Glocks?"
The guys in competition utilize the long-slide versions which come with a 3.5 lb trigger pull. Usually they will swap in an aftermarket barrel and have a few other tricks.
The police use regular Glocks with no aftermarket tricks and heavier trigger pulls. Some departments use trigger pulls up to 12 pounds.
The guys with the 1911s are using single action with a light trigger pull. Police departments have successfully fielded the 1911 only after extensive custom work. The Marines specops were using a heavily modified Kimber. The FBI swat teams use a heavily customized 1911. I havent seen any departments simply pull a regular version 1911 out of a box and make it their pistol.
The Sig and the HK are the only pistols I know of that are very accurate right out of the box, reliable and can be fielded without any custom work.
The HK seems like the ultimate weapon as it combines Glock toughness with Sig accuracy. The HK doesnt require cleaning to fire accurately (HK says 5000 rounds before the first cleaning). Unfortunately, the USP is not within most department's budgets. Funny, how the Air Marshalls get Sigs where as the pilots get USPs. The difference is that the pilots are paying for theirs. So essentially they are saying price dependent Sig, price independent HK.
The guys in competition utilize the long-slide versions which come with a 3.5 lb trigger pull. Usually they will swap in an aftermarket barrel and have a few other tricks.
The police use regular Glocks with no aftermarket tricks and heavier trigger pulls. Some departments use trigger pulls up to 12 pounds.
The guys with the 1911s are using single action with a light trigger pull. Police departments have successfully fielded the 1911 only after extensive custom work. The Marines specops were using a heavily modified Kimber. The FBI swat teams use a heavily customized 1911. I havent seen any departments simply pull a regular version 1911 out of a box and make it their pistol.
The Sig and the HK are the only pistols I know of that are very accurate right out of the box, reliable and can be fielded without any custom work.
The HK seems like the ultimate weapon as it combines Glock toughness with Sig accuracy. The HK doesnt require cleaning to fire accurately (HK says 5000 rounds before the first cleaning). Unfortunately, the USP is not within most department's budgets. Funny, how the Air Marshalls get Sigs where as the pilots get USPs. The difference is that the pilots are paying for theirs. So essentially they are saying price dependent Sig, price independent HK.
David Armstrong
Moderator
A Glock fits that description rather well, as do many of the S&W autos, Rugers, etc. Many "high-level matches" have been won with box-stock Glocks and probably other makes as well.
to start off i am a LEO. and its true not all cops tend to care about their shooting abilities. i do know that there is no "fudging" qualifications on my department. that doesn't acount for every other department. as far as shooters go we are probably a little higher percentage wise on who takes the time to shoot over the normal population just due to the fact that some do train on their own for the time it may be needed, and of course just the reason they give us guns attracts some people to the job. but obviouosly the people on this site are shooters and probably on average are better shots than a lot of cops. but we do have a LOT of really excellent shots. and for the record i have been in a gun fight, and all my shots struck the bad guy.