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warbirdlover

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My Ruger 77 MkII / Boyd's combo is not responding to my gentle sanding and loud swearing. I thought I had it perfect! I went and fired 1-1/2 boxes of .300 Win Magnum through it for the THIRD time this month (ouch) today and while the groups are not moving they're horrible. I got mad and dropped it off at Gander Mountain for their gunsmiths to glass bed it. It better work! :mad:

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Did you shoot some groups prior to the new stock with the Nikon on it? (Isn't this a new to this rifle scope?) Just another variable to play with! Good luck!

My best three shot group with your old Mueller so far is 0.21 MOA on one of my target rifles; and sub 0.5 MOA all day long.

Hopefully it comes back a sweet shooter!
 
My best three shot group with your old Mueller so far is 0.21 MOA on one of my target rifles; and sub 0.5 MOA all day long.
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Man, talk about kicking a guy when he is down!

Warbird, did you free float that barrel? Just curious.
 
Not a scope problem. I was going to take the scope off at the gunsmith's and I couldn't loosen the ring to reciever screws! I have them tight! (NOT the ones holding the scope, those are just snug). Scope's not moving. and when I moved it 3" up (12 clicks) it moved 3" up with no change in left/right. I know it's in the receiver bedding. Just have a "feeling" that the "drop in" stock is not supporting it right in that area. In any case, glad to hear the Mueller is working out for you!

:D
 
Can you put it back in it's original stock and see if it shoots the same as it did before the boyds stock? Just an idea. Sounds like you know enough about your set up to know if it needs bedded. But it seems like putting it back in original stock would verify.
 
I don't believe it's the action i'd lay more resolve in the barrel honestly. As far as accuracy is concerned the barrel comes first and foremost before the action IMO. You reload don't you warbird?

Or was it a shooter before you put it in the stock?
 
Glass bedding can't posslibly hurt. I would have it full length bedded if it were mine. I seem to remember something about Ruger recommending against floating the barrel on a M77.
 
Barrel is fine. It shot some nice groups a couple weeks ago that's why I suspect he action is moving in the stock. And I can't put it back in the old stock because it's sold. :p

I used to reload for years and stopped after I got this rifle. It shot cheapo Remington CoreLoks into almost one hole along with most anything else I fed it so quit reloading as I couldn't improve on it enough. Over the years I've just fired it enough to verify the scope was still on before hunting season. And in almost 20 years I never touched the scope adjustments.

I had a Nikon Monarch on it for most of the time I've had it and last year put a Mueller 4-16 X 50AO lighted dot on it and it worked well (good groups) with that. That scope was 2 lbs. so sold it (see post above) and put this new ProStaff on it and it seems to not be the problem.

I was going to take this scope off the rifle for the gunsmith but I had the rings so tight to the receiver I couldn't get them loose with the smaller screwdrivers they had. (Rings are only snug on the scope, not tight). When I move the scope 12 clicks to go up 3" it goes up 3" so I don't believe it's the scope either.

Gander Mountain (gunsmiths) glass bed it and free float the barrel. If it still doesn't shoot I can start playing with some shims near the end like the paddle stock had from the factory.

Where I'm at right now.

I also know I'm not shooting as well as I used to but I'm not shooting "this" bad by any means. I can shoot sub-moa groups but feel I'm now shooting more like moa groups with a sub-moa gun. And getting 2 moa groups at 100 yards.

Some of the other guys with Boyd's stocks mentioned they had theirs glass bedded. Maybe I can find that old thread or they'll show up for this one to comment.
 
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i bedded my boydes stock friday night. i felt much better installing the stock with it bedded to the action than i did just throwing it in there. actually, its the pillars that made me feel the most confident. you might try it your self. midway carrys the pro bed 200 kit, thats what i got. comes with great instructions. it was a little nerve wrecking in the beginning, but now id do it again
 
Gotta bed an action in a Boyd's stock.
They're not perfectly inletted to begin with.
It'll definitely shoot better when bedded. Are they installing pillars, or just bedding the action?
Did you check to be sure your barrel was free-floated?
 
The bedding issue was why I went with Hogue (aluminum bedding channel) rather than Boyd's. Still, Warbird's Ruger with that Boyd stock sure is pretty. Prettier than my 'rubber' stock, but I was able to just drop the action into that Hogue, tighten the screws and walk to my shooting bench. And I can't honestly say that the bedded stock is why that rifle of mine is shooting so well. Maybe it's just that I finally found the right load. But the stock stays on.
 
Gotta bed an action in a Boyd's stock.
They're not perfectly inletted to begin with.
It'll definitely shoot better when bedded.

Are they installing pillars, or just bedding the action?
Did you check to be sure your barrel was free-floated?
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They're glass bedding the action WITH pillars AND free floating the barrel for $140.

:D
 
If it still doesn't shoot I can start playing with some shims near the end like the paddle stock had from the factory
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Did it shoot well with the pressure point on the barrel with the factory stock?

Before paying for someone to bed the action and float the barrel, I would think it would be worth the effort to put it back in the factory stock and see if your groups come back.
 
He sold the old stock. I would bet a dos equis the pillar bedding job fixes it. If it doesnt, he could try a little tape on the forend to put some pressure on the barrel
 
I paid either $250 or $275 for the Hogue stock. I thought that was quite reasonable for a good synthetic stock with good bedding and a perfect drop-in fit (which it had, as advertised). I did look at Boyd's stocks. I can't remember what the prices were but I don't remember the price diff between Hogue and Boyd's being particularly big. Part of my thinking was that, since I live in the middle of nowhere, going to and from a good gunsmith to get the Boyd's bedded professionally would take time and an unknown amount of money. This was for my Ruger Hawkeye, which I got for a discount price, so I didn't want to spend a ton of money for a high dollar stock (B&C or McMillan or such) for my 'front pasture varmint rifle'.
 
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