How about secession?

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For an American to call the confederacy a bunch of traitors is the pot calling the kettle black.

How can you say we stole land from the Brits and it's ok, but the South stole land from the U.S.A. and that's pure evil?

I disagree that those who fly the confederate flag do it solely out of racism. I would also argue the civil war wasn't about racism in the first place. Yes, those in the South were mostly racists. Most of the North were racists, too. The only thing they didn't agree on were whether the slave owners had to pay taxes on the slaves or not. Except for a few idealists, the only reason the North really wanted the slaves to be considered people was so they could pay taxes.
 
yeah I bought a copy of Ken Burns the Civil War on dvd... its a good show to watch and talks alot about the reasons for the war...which mostly didnt seem to include slavery. None the less Lincoln did emancipate them eventually..and the CSA wasnt in favour of granting them rights or freedoms..
 
Liberia was the location.

This thread is so out of whack, it should be shut down in my humble opinion.

What ignorance and outspoken guano...

Harley
 
Lincoln was a great man...the winner writes history
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Yes, the winner writes history and the myth of Lincoln the Great has been perpetuated.

Lincoln the Emancipator "supported colonization, believing that freed black slaves were too different to live in the same society as white Americans." While he could accept slavery, Lincoln the Megalomaniac could not accept reduced power. After 7 southern states seceeded from the US, he provoked the Battle of Fort Sumter as an excuse to declare war on the secessionist states; that prompted 4 other states to seceed.

When the tide of war was flowing against Lincoln the Warrior, he curried favor with European countries that frowned on slavery by "freeing" the slaves. Without legal authority, Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation declared the freedom of slaves in areas outside of the Union and not under its control. Slavery continuted in northern states (including Deleware) and border states and in Union-controlled territory. The 13th Amendment did subsequently end slavery in the United States (and Deleware proudly ratified 13A on 2/12/1901).
 
Flying it would be unpatriotic and (if push comes to shove) an expression of treason against the U.S. government.

The Confederacy was nothing but a bunch of traitors.
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You should check your definition of "treason" and "traitors" - Article III, Section 3, Clause 1 of the Constitution is a good place to start, or you might borrow 459's Civil War on dvd.
 
Geez! I didnt know this thread would've caused havoc!:eek:

Well, I dont know much about the Confederacy, and from what I've heard, I dont care for it.

Oh well, if secession won't work, I guess it's back to plain ol' voting.:barf:
 
Don't despair, Evil Monkey - debate and research are wonderful things.

As to secession, it is probably both impractical and illegal.

Yes, I answered my own question and finally found a legal citation about secession.

In STATE OF TEXAS v. WHITE, 74 U.S. 700 (1868), the SCOTUS ruled that the State of Texas had never ceased to be a state in the United States during the Civil War. The logic for the ruling was somewhat tortured, but was based on the concept that the Articles of Confederation (which lasted a whole 7 years) created a "perpetual Union" of states and that the Constitution created "a more perfect Union" - therefore, when states joined the United States, they entered into a "more perfectly perpetual Union" and could not leave.

Of course, the court's opinion even suggested that the conclusion was effectively biased and pre-ordained.
It certainly follows that the State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union. If this were otherwise, the State must have become foreign, and her citizens foreigners. The war must have ceased to be a war for the suppression of rebellion, and must have become a war for conquest and subjugation.
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Admitting that the southern states could leave the Union would have clearly meant that the Union was not suppressing a rebellion, but blatantly conquering its newly-formed neighboring nation - and that just could not be allowed.
 
Texas sure paid a big price for their mistake.

The Texas people were beat up from all sides. The Indians, the North, the Southern wannabees. The men who did not believe in the war and had to steal to live... Sad!
They were looted and stole from after the war very badly. Lost huge amounts of their land to grabbers.
I believe the worst thing that happened to them was done by the new Government that was set up by Governor Edmund J. Davis.

I have read quite a bit about this very topic. A good read is 'Lincoln's War'
Quite different then what is said on this thread.

Harley
 
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