How about secession?

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Let's see, pro-gunners want guns but the anti-gunners want disarmament. Isn't there a way both sides can be happy? Like the pro-gunners overtime moving to a certain region and then after many years, start a secession? Wouldn't this work? Maybe I dont know exactly what I'm talking about but I think we, pro-gunners, would become free because we wouldn't be part of the US anymore. Thus, thier laws will not affect the "new country".

So would this be a good idea?
 
Ummm... the anti gunners are free to move to Canada, or elsewhere.

Men with guns created this country. Men with guns wrote a consitution that gave American citizens the right to keep and bear arms. If some folks have an issue with our basic rights, they are free to move to a country that doesn't have these rights. We who are mearly exercising our rights have no need to break off from the country we created.
 
rebar, this isn't the same country anymore. i see things in this country i never thought i would see 20 years ago. attack on gun rights is only one of them.
 
No country is the same as it was 20 years ago. The only constant is change.

Secession? Oh, you mean being traitors to the USA and stealing land from the USA to formulate your own country? I think that was tried some time back and it did not go well for those of us who called it the War of Northern Aggression.

Many things sound fun or like a good idea until you realize that Utopia isn't really there.
 
Secession?

If I'm not mistaken, secession was attempted about 144 years ago without success. Nations tend to look upon secession of territory with great hostility and violent reaction. It's a very silly concept.
 
I find it amazing and horrifying that some people, in their righteous zeal to defend a single amendment to the Constitution of the United States (the 2nd if we're unclear), would advocate rebellion against and dissolution of the nation as a legitimate tool to further their objective.

So, you basically want to create a country based on a single issue - ownership of firearms.

Well, I don't like ice cream, so I'm going to secede and form my country unified in its opposition to ice cream ... and giraffes.

Makes about as much sense as the initial post.
 
Leif, I wasn't advocating a secession. I was just wondering if it was a plausible idea. Seems like it isn't now. Well what would you do to defend the 2nd? Vote? Doesnt seem like it's working.
 
I believe in secession, but I do not believe in the idea of a bunch of libertarians trying to take over a State or region. I think it takes more than a belief in the RKBA or a belief in libertarianism to unite a people, I think it takes a belief in a form of government.
 
Evil Monkey, my apologies if you felt that I jumped on you - I couldn't quite tell what the intention of your post was. Regardless, I'd say that there are a number of outlets for political activity on RKBA issues that are both legal and don't involve secession. As to their effectiveness ... :confused:
 
If I'm not mistaken, secession was attempted about 144 years ago without success ... It's a very silly concept.
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I do not believe that secession is a silly concept, I see it is a principle of free government, just as the RKBA is a principle of free government. The Declaration of Independence regards the right of secession - the right to alter or to abolish government. I celebrate it on the 4th of July.

Free government is voluntary. Of course, a Citizen of a free State is bound by the laws of that State, but he is free to leave. The freedom to walk away is not a silly concept, and if one hasn't the ability to walk away then he is enslaved. I believe this principle applies to individuals in a free State as well as to States in a free Union.
 
We don't need to secede. We need to deport and revoke the citizenship of anyone in government who tries to ban guns or ice cream.

Leif, we're not the ones rebelling. The socialists/statists/neoliberals have been in silent rebellion for decades. They are in rebellion against the ideals that created this society.

Ideals shouldn't be followed blindly for long, but the socialists/statists/neoliberals want to ditch large portions of the founders' ideals based only on some flawed and naive philosophy. The founders' ideals deserve to be respected, and compromised only after thorough and lengthy philosophical and practical analyses. The idea is that such a public debate would have to take place before passage of a constitutional amendment; while the amendment process leaves something to be desired, the constitution's poisoners haven't seriously attempted any amendments stripping away rights since the disaster that was the prohibition amendment.

The burden of proving the legitimacy of our position isn't on us. The ones who must prove their position are the traitorous officials, legislators, and bottom-feeding private citizens who have been abusing the constitution without passing an amendment to even superficially legitimize their abuse. They know they've been abusing the constitution and the ideals of the founders, because they're on record as doubting the constitutionality of what they've done and what they're doing. Our only burden is that we're not doing anything, or not doing enough, to stop this abuse.
 
Seccession

Didn't they try this before, something about the south shall rise again? We shouldn't have to leave. The 2nd amendment is already in place, if someone doesn't like it, they can move to Bangledash for all I care.:cool:
 
Leif, we're not the ones rebelling. The socialists/statists/neoliberals have been in silent rebellion for decades. They are in rebellion against the ideals that created this society.
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+1 to that. It's the liberal/left that's been rebelling against this country, starting with FDR and his "new deal", and has been rolling downhill faster and faster since, after Johnson and his "great society" it's been almost a freefall.
if someone doesn't like it, they can move to Bangledash for all I care.
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They'll have to get in shape, the Indians are building a fence around there to keep islamic terrorists out:
The Government would create watch posts on the fence with Bangladesh to monitor the movement of people. "We were also thinking to electrify the fence but will have to be very careful about that,'' said Mr. Patil while replying to supplementaries during question hour. The Government would deploy floating border posts in the riverine stretches and construct concrete pillars that would host more border outposts.
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http://www.hindu.com/2005/05/12/stories/2005051203391200.htm
Then they'll have to get used to live as Dhimmis.
 
We don't need to secede. We need to deport and revoke the citizenship of anyone in government who tries to ban guns or ice cream.


umm would this be deporting them to re-education camps? Or did you have a country in mind where you would like to send these people who excercise their rights to free speach and have an opioning differing from yours?

I think what you are advocating is far worse than anybody advocates anti firearm ideology.

BTW were you planning on using boxcars for your mass exodus?
 
Secession? Oh, you mean being traitors to the USA and stealing land from the USA to formulate your own country?
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Depends on your point of view. From the British P.O.V. we're all traitors and stole land from the British Empire to formulate our own country. From the Native American POV, I suppose it's about the same, except we were never nice enough to be called traitors.

You guys just wait for me to run for president (benevolent dictator). Vote Wayne. I'll get in there and straighten some stuff out real quick. We'll have 100% perfect Waynetopia until I'm impeached or overthrown.
 
umm would this be deporting them to re-education camps? Or did you have a country in mind where you would like to send these people who excercise their rights to free speach and have an opioning differing from yours?
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You mean, legislators and judges who might try to reinsitute slavery through making and upholding laws, would only be "exercising their right to free speech"? Interesting opinion.
BTW were you planning on using boxcars for your mass exodus?
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Funny, before a government rounds people up and put them in camps, first they disarm their citizens. Which party wants to disarm us again?
 
I am reading about the History of Texas.

They voted to go confederate. What a dumb thing that was. Major tragedy for the state and the families. I really have not read anything of value about their reasons as of yet.
They really got treated bad after the war, I believe they are still pretty
hostile to what happened. If they know it or not.

The idea to secede is really out in right field.
Why would anyone want to do that? I can see California doing it because they are like the 5th largest producer of goods and wealth in the world. They are not in step with the rest of the country. But I doubt very seriously they would ever even think about it.
To go and do that to your country is like 'Duh.' We do have a batch of minorities from other nations that have made California their home. They probably don't have the kind of loyalty as the native's (born here). Actually the white race is a minority in California now. I don't believe we really have a majority anymore. Pretty mixed Bag.

Talk about weird thinking??? Why don't you just go and cut off your right arm and go on welfare??? Makes about as much sense.

Harley
 
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