Back in the day CDNN was selling Saiga-12s for $199 each, this was right when the Federal AWB expired via sunset in Sep 2004. I bought 2 in Aug of that year and then the day after the ban expired converted both of them to a regular AK pistol grip configuration..........part of which required cutting the barrels down to 18", I think originally they were 22' or 24". Over the next 6 months I did another 6 conversions. I did all the cuts with a pipe cutter from Lowes dressing the cuts with a dremmel or file. Never had any problems or issues.